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holy crap people persist in doubting the

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you're listening to Jaime Church and now

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your host the captain of conspiracy the

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Prince of paranormal this ain't your

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daddy's Radio Network show this is Jimmy

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fade to black made to block they say I

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sound like Elvis I got that Elvis tone

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no not really what is up everybody fade

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to black here we go

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skip this one Kraken it's gonna be a

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good night crazy day here crazy day

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welcome everybody this is fade to black

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the spoke radio for the masses today's

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Thursday June 19th there are 160 days

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into the new year and as always we are

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live from the JPD Motorsports Studios

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right here in sunny roasting hot sweaty

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burbank california 4 k JC are in the

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dark matter radio network i'm your host

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jimmy church and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening around the world all

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across the united states this great

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country of ours a big salute

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the proud men and women in uniform

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possibly going into harm's way again

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without them there is no me there is no

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week dude what are you doing

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saluting the imperialistic army come on

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without them you couldn't write me that

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letter and you need to really really

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really think about that not them there

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be no YouTube or Twitter oh man all

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of the gates digging that TweetDeck had

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everybody assisting me today emails

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texts Keith's calling in but we got it

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it's up and running and I gotta say Jack

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Dorsey you too man I just tweeted jack

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and said you need to call into the show

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it's been a long time so uh we'll see

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you never know little surprise call from

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Jack Dorsey all right let's get this one

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cracking you ready I'm ready

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buckle up buckle up today's singer and

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Wilson of heart turned 64 years old and

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I don't have an and Wilson story wish I

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for another time Roger Fisher cool dude

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lives up there in Seattle all right

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we've got it's gonna be a crazy show

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it's gonna be a busy show and so let's

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just get through the normal stuff get it

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out of the way all right follow us on

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twitter at JT radio just heard me

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talking about TweetDeck man that just

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which is direct to me at j2 radio so if

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guess that's how you do it at J Church

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radio net we've got our normal crowd

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you're going to go hang out and ask

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and all of this was done by you okay

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TweetDeck the hash all of that is done

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know who you are okay and it was a it's

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so cool it is it's so humbling for me

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that uh that you care and it's really

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really cool it's just so anyway alright

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so that's that Facebook YouTube Facebook

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the fan page is Jimmy Church radio calm

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easy enough to find you can go and click

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all of the links to do everything or on

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our website Jimmy Church radio calm also

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that and we'll get to that in a second I

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have got a stack stack of DVDs here I'll

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be giving away everybody that calls in

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til they run out but I do have a genuine

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let's see here I've got Don Ecker Paul

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Stonehill Preston Tennant got a present

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done Don Schmidt Michael Cremo big stack

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of a really cool move on DVDs here so

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the show now we are going to open up the

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phone lines at around 8 o'clock and I'm

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sure somebody's gonna try to call him

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before then I will have bill burns on

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the show tonight special guest friend of

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at the bottom of the hour all right we

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will be discussing tonight's all night

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with you the Huffington Post article

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Huffington Post and it is written by Lee

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Spiegel good job written about the

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Malibu deep underwater base that Maxwell

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Dale Romero his son Jason Jason's name

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didn't get into the article but Jason

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even you know what you've done for this

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and well I'm saying it now publicly

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there you go all right Jason Romero so

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if you have not read the article you can

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right now scroll down it's right there

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you can't miss it big

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letters and The Huffington Post articles

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just a link click over go read the

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article during the show tonight read it

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now take you five minutes blast through

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a lot of information there and call in

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tell us what you think that's it I want

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to know I want to know how everybody

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with a very touchy sensitive subject

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like this and in my opinion articles

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years something like something that's

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this breaking and this you know this

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interesting and the possibilities of it

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and in not since Bob Lazar there hasn't

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you can call Rendlesham forest something

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like that and but then again that was

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1980 so you're looking at like I said

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every twenty five years something like

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this comes along that's this big and how

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mainstream media deal with a subject

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everything else and so I need everybody

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to go check out the article call in let

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about tonight so I left this evening and

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where's the guest tonight where's the

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bill burns and he has reviewed the

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article hasn't given me his opinions or

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Huffington Post for for considering it

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tonight and that's the deal there okay

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the link like I said just go over to

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you'll see it it's right there it's at

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the top right below while the other the

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falling right below that okay so you

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eight to five fifty forty five will have

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bill at the bottom of the hour and with

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it's gonna be fun and looking forward to

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everybody's participation this is

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bespoke radio for the masses and never

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never forget that the shows for you

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contacting the desert also at Jimmy

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banner is there while you're spending

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some time over Jimmy Church radio calm

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and you're clicking on the Huffington

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Post article please if you haven't

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entered take the time to go and enter

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the contest click on the banner and

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that'll take you over to the fade to

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black page it's right there it's easy to

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do just register enter the contest it's

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a four-day full pass $400 pass to

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contact and the desert come hang out

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with all of us we are a sponsor of that

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7 to 10 from Joshua Tree from contact in

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the desert and all of the winners all of

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you guys everybody that wins that comes

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on out and hangs out you're gonna come

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on this show with me and you just don't

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know who is gonna be with us that night

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on the show so everybody that you've

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looked up to maybe wanted to talk to or

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admired or not and you just wanted to

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get rough and go why that's your chance

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come hang out you just don't know it's

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gonna be with us on the air that night

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and okay so that's that let's see yeah

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it's gonna be tell injure sooo close

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Vaughn Donegan that guy from coast to

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there and it's gonna be really really

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Richard Dolan all right the winners from

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last week were Rick Senate Brad beining

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Walter Lewis and we'll be announcing the

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next round of five tomorrow night right

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here at fader block it's gonna be great

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all right so with that I've got a bunch

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of email I'll wait to do that I'm trying

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to think if there's anything else I got

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to get out of the way here at the front

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of the show know when I come back I'm

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gonna take a quick break when I come

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back we will bang through a ton of email

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after last night's show how's the great

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show last night truth Sica man I had a

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great time and I hope he's listening

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right now that was an absolute amazing

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show last night this is fade to black

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this spoke radio for the masses on the

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dark matter radio network I'm your host

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Jimmy church this is the Thursday

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edition

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all right everybody you ready I'm ready

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let's get this one cracking I'll be back

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right after this do not touch that mouse

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back right after this

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you're listening to Jimmy Church fade to

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black

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on the dark matter radio network what's

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up revolutionaries it's me Jimmy Church

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do you have an IRS or state tax issue

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well I did and I called national tax

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experts my problems were fixed done fini

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and man I gotta tell you it was a relief

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states it doesn't matter where you live

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give them a call I'm telling you they

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take the time to understand each and

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every clients individual financial

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status as well as their financial goals

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and that's exactly what you need my

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brother when you're taking on two evil

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3-letter so seriously give them a call

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today at 187 seven nine oh nine five

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oh yeah all right let's go fade to black

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yeah that's cool show last night

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dizzy read calling in Guns and Roses

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that was alright and talked to him in a

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while

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all right truth seeker you know it's

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kind of cool one of the things with this

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show that is that I think is is a really

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cool way to approach things is you know

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I come from the entertainment industry I

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come hardcore from the music side of

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things and I know oh you know so many

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entertainers and actors and directors

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and all that stuff and and they all have

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opinions on what we talk about on the

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show every night and so bringing in

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those you know that element and getting

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their opinions on things sure we can

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bring in all the authors and and guys

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that I've been researching for years and

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I enjoy that - that is awesome but

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bringing in stuff flow like you know Dan

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Fogler you know we had Graham bonnet on

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the show and and you know and and you

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know last night with dizzy we'll get

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Doug in here - Doug has been out in las

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vegas doug aldrich doing his show out

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there five days a week so during the

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show five days a week seven to ten he's

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onstage so but on one of his days off

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that that he's here in LA or out there

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in Las Vegas he said that he'd be more

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than happy to come on the show and he's

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got some stuff to talk about but that's

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that's one of the things that's really

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cool and tomorrow night Craig coming on

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the show

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Copple possible that's gonna be awesome

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another director and you know it's just

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another view and it just lets you know

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that you don't have to be a researcher

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you know to not only have an opinion but

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for somebody for you to listen to that

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is just like you that is not from the

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inside they're from the outside and

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that's one of the cool things about the

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show we will always try to push for that

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angle to that end dan Aykroyd man well

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I've been trying to get this guy

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and I finally got to the inside so

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hopefully hopefully we'll have Danna

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next week and that is another example

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it's gonna be really cool

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all right let me get to a bunch of email

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that has come in since the show last

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night

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this one from Victor just watched your

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video of the underwater base off Malibu

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decided to have a look for myself it was

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there so I zoomed in the blurred doorway

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until I was underwater the icon for the

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street view popped up I dragged Pegman

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to the doorway it was black then I

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zoomed here is the panoramic view from

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right to left let me know what you think

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about coincidence Thanks he says he goes

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on to say new to this stuff I'm not able

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to send pics for my phone but they're

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coming so we're waiting for those but I

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just thought wow that's really cool so

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we're waiting for that to come in and

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that is from Victor I tried to replicate

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what Victor did it's tough man you know

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I don't know what Dale and and Jason and

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which I have their software another

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email from Renee she says I just loved

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eavesdropping on your on-air

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conversation with Dizzy Reed yeah that

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was pretty cool because it was just a

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conversation between friends and that

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was pretty fun don't get to do that

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often so with witchcraft and

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teleportation now checked off the list

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you've now covered on fade to black

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every single esoteric topic of

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importance in only 80 programs so far

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and you've introduced us to younger

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truth seekers like truth seeker and it

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gives me hope for our collective future

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as a fully conscious species couldn't

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agree with you more Rene and that's why

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your email got read you're absolutely

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right that's what we're trying to do

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here fresh it's the fresh prudent show

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it's fresh man this email came in from

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Walter

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Sika is a very well is very well spoken

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on the subject demons Devils voices in

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the night evil influence that subtly

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works to push off the track towards

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darkness what if the archons were the

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source of everything dark in the night

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since the dawn of time

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religions created as a way to resist a

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way to generate the positive energy

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needed to fight them and that is a great

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email that's what I expect from you guys

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you need to be on par right there with

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Walter you need to sling that eye and

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the thing is when presenting truth seek

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it to the world like that this is a guy

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that that went way dark way way way way

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way way dark and we all have dark

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thoughts from time to time what he

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pursued it and lived it and came back to

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become the young man that he is today

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and that it and for him to be able to

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talk about it on those levels and he

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went and and and researched and invested

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and did everything he could to find out

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why he went there and he wants to share

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that that is yeah he's an incredible

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young man and though his music is is

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absolutely amazing he doesn't play

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around and that was a great show last

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night okay

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let's see from Ben Miller this came in a

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few minutes ago you know when I say that

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I think it came in two minutes before

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the show he says thanks for posting the

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Huff Post article on the Malibu

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structure as usual the science guys who

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should be anxious to investigate this

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potential a natural object our fast to

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write this off as erosion you and your

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group are the real scientists for

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wanting to do actual look-see with

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remote cameras maybe it is erosion but

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it looks so different from the other

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nearby eroded under seal and I cannot

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wait to get some real

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on this site and that's exactly right

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I couldn't agree with that that's it

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that's great prose right there that's

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good typing yeah the the site to me I've

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had oh by the way I just got to say this

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really quick just so everybody knows

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that I am very very very aware of what's

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going on with the literally thousands of

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views of the video that we posted on

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that with editing that goes on here

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there are certain files that are saved

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inside of our video editing programs and

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I'm talking about graphics and inserting

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into the master file with everything

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that is around it with all the graphics

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that's all that ever really occurs and

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we thought so we don't actually go and

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watch a three-hour video we don't do

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that you two would take three hours and

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there isn't that much time and so anyway

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the word subscribe in all of our videos

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up until about a week ago or two weeks

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ago said I think subcribe didn't have

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the s in there and this has been going

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on and I know everybody out there is

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listening on yeah man we saw it and most

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of you that know me just laughed about

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it because it is it's just stupid but it

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had been out there and I thought we

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thought here that that had been fixed

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many times and for some reason the old

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that it kept reloading into the master

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file with that program it was fixed once

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or twice on a couple of videos and we

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thought we were done with it and then

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boom it popped back in now with the

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Malibu base video it popped back up and

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we didn't check it and that's my fault I

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you know I'm the boss I'm the guy that

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anything goes wrong it's my mistake no

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matter who does it it's it's all on my

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shoulders I should have checked it out I

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didn't do it

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I thought it was right and everybody

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posting

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on YouTube and sending me emails dude

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lost all my credibility when you

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couldn't spell subscribe can't spell it

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all so there you go man I'm putting it

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out there it's not that big of a deal

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but I'm not gonna pull the video down

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just to go fix that word and if

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somebody's got problems with that then

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then whatever it happened that no big

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deal and if you looked at other videos

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you'd see that it that it is right it's

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just one of those things it's an anomaly

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like the deep underwater base you don't

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know what's going on oh man all right

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see I got Ben Miller out of the way keep

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the guest requests coming tomorrow night

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Craig Campobasso who's gonna be here

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tomorrow night that came from you so

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think about that and that that came in a

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long time ago we had to chase him down

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and get him in tomorrow night's gonna be

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great he has got a new movie coming out

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that is at the Burbank Film Festival it

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is called stranger at the Pentagon you

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should go check it out we'll have

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everything up for it tomorrow night

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they're working on the final edits of

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the film and I think we have a trailer

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up and the movie poster and stuff is out

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what it is about well you know what I'll

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save for Craig tomorrow night but it's

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it think Eisenhower and aliens locked in

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a room that's what this is about

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almost documentary ish and it's really

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good so anyway

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Craig tomorrow night came in from you

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guys so always send me guest requests

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and pretty much pretty much pretty much

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I don't reveal who the guests are okay

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don't do it we're locked up and we're

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booked up through the end of August

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right now we've got a couple of open

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dates but we're booked up and I go and I

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look at that and this is what happens

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you send me a guest request usually I

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know who that guest is but I immediately

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if they're cool they're cool they're

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worth it and worthy I'll I'll do it

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right there or the producers here we

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will

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idiot Lee contact that guests and get

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them booked that's how it happens so if

545
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you ever wonder man

546
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Jimmy's got it all locked down this week

547
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this is really cool that's how what

548
00:27:58,360 --> 00:27:51,169
happens happens from you okay we've done

549
00:28:01,480 --> 00:27:58,370
80 shows 80 80 great guests 70 of them

550
00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:01,490
60 came from you and don't ever forget

551
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that this is bespoke radio for the

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masses all right I'm looking I'm looking

553
00:28:16,450 --> 00:28:11,270
man I'm

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00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:16,460
the TweetDeck it's almost kind of

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strange

556
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it's just blink blink blink blink blink

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blink and you guys are looking at the

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same blinks I am it is just blazing by

559
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:26,059
you guys need to slow down a little bit

560
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,070
so I can actually read these then I have

561
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:29,840
to go back and I've got to scroll

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backwards 80 tweets Wow

563
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but everybody's uh everybody's in

564
00:28:40,049 --> 00:28:37,159
tonight during the break I'll I'll take

565
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a quick glance through when I come back

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now we got a we've got a great week

567
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lined up next week too by the way

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when I come back it will be bill burns

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in the house don't forget that you know

570
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what tonight should we do uh on this

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break you know what I'm gonna do let's

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listen to a little truth Sica after Doug

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this is fade to black

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yeah Thursday nights on the dark matter

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radio network I'm your host Amy Church

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at J search radios hashtag DM radio net

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Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio calm you

578
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:16,070
know to do I'll be back right after this

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stay with us everybody

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00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:27,330
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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on the dark matter radio network

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you're listening to faint and black on

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the dark matter radio network you're

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listening

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00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:55,930
Jimmy Church this is a revolution the

586
00:30:02,760 --> 00:29:58,750
revolution will not be televised the

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revolution is on radio ciao

588
00:31:04,340 --> 00:30:57,800
you

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00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:04,350
listen to those lyrics in that song he

590
00:31:11,660 --> 00:31:07,220
has dropped every paranormal subject

591
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,670
known to Mad good stuff truth seeker

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00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:12,960
this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy church we are on the dark matter

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radio network Thursday nights it's gonna

595
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:19,980
be a great show tonight we've got open

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lines three to three a to 550 45 you can

597
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:27,720
also Skype in fade to black

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00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:31,370
14 you get all those instructions of you

599
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:33,990
if you need to over at Jimmy Church

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radio.com all right let's get this one

601
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cracking I've got them on the line right

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00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:42,240
now let's bring it down bring it down

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bring it down bring it down bring it

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down bill burns is with this hey Bill

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can I can I bring you just can I bring

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00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:53,910
you in without a without a 20-minute bio

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just just just bring along alive how you

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doing bill everything good I'm good

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always good to hear your voice my friend

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00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:04,680
always good to hear your voice and thank

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00:32:12,050 --> 00:32:08,820
you for coming on and we tonight I'm I'm

612
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,060
just gonna drag you through tonight and

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00:32:16,550 --> 00:32:14,820
ask you to hang and and take some calls

614
00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:16,560
I don't know if you're listening to the

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00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:20,190
show but I've got a big stack of MUFON

616
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:23,310
DVDs courtesy of Steve Murillo and the

617
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:24,810
good folks over there will be giving way

618
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:27,390
tonight to the callers and you know it's

619
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going to be an interesting show and so

620
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:31,890
you know if you can't can you hang with

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00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:34,620
us for a while I know you're these okay

622
00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:38,340
you know I was I tweeted out and posted

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right before the show and you'll find

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00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:42,060
this interesting I said okay we're gonna

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build burns on tonight we're gonna talk

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about the Huffington Post article it's

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00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:48,750
all good we're gonna have fun and then

628
00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:50,610
we're gonna have talked about 50 other

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subject and rapid fire bill burns

630
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fashion Lord knows where it's gonna go

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00:33:07,210 --> 00:33:02,220
we never do and it's always great fun

632
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thank you for coming in and now what

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again for everybody out there the

634
00:33:14,510 --> 00:33:11,640
Huffington Post article is

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is out written by Lee Spiegel the link

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for it so you know and you can reference

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what we'll be talking about all night is

638
00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:21,870
the link is over at Jimmy Church radio

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00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:23,550
calm so you can just go over there right

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now click on it it'll take you over to

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00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:27,600
Huffington Post and it'll take you

642
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:29,880
straight to the article you can blast

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00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:32,730
through it and I know Bill I know that

644
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:35,250
you read it today I've read it a couple

645
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,390
of times and so let's let's just get

646
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into this and the first thing is this

647
00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:46,200
now that this article is out and it's a

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00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:48,420
good article it's it's it's well-written

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and and I do want to thank the

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Huffington Post for crossing a subject

651
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that is that is very sensitive and I'd

652
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,430
say well but look where they put it well

653
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:02,100
well you know let's get to that too and

654
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:04,050
say well you know what that's where they

655
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:06,030
put that kind of stuff and I understand

656
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:07,980
that but you never know it could it

657
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:10,110
could it could get elevated and switch

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pages and but before we get to that now

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00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,880
to tomorrow after Huffington Post now

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everything else is gonna start to crank

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out out there we will be talking that

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00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:24,990
we're gonna do a CNN thing tomorrow and

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00:34:28,850 --> 00:34:26,610
a couple of other mainstream things and

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we'll be interesting to see how

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everybody else in mainstream media picks

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up on this from Huffington Post how they

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00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:38,070
treat it and how things you know now

668
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:40,950
move forward in the news cycle spoiler

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alert if you think the Huffington Post

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was snarky

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about this you don't know what's gonna

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happen to places like CNN and places

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like that you can't control it can you

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you can well it's not even that CNN

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00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,500
MSNBC to to a larger extent Fox News but

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certainly the three major news networks

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all adhere to a kind of unspoken but

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understood among the group standard and

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that standard is a window of

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acceptability it's a framework where

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certain stories get an open-minded

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treatment

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and certain stories get rejected Stan

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Friedman my good friend Stan Friedman's

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has a thesis that in terms of how the

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media and this is indirect you know I

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00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:39,520
wonder how say incident I CNN's gonna

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00:35:44,730 --> 00:35:41,109
treat this guy but I'm Larry King a few

689
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:44,740
times I know how he treated it but the

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the are there is a window of

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acceptability and one of the things that

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Stanton mentioned was that the media and

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skeptics diehard debunking skeptics will

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adhere to the principle of anything but

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alien ABA and that's exactly what's at

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the bottom of this article I mean so so

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in in one respect everybody agrees you

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00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:15,210
agree I agree stanton agrees they agree

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00:36:25,859 --> 00:36:20,200
agrees that there is a far too facile

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and quick reliance on UFOs to explain

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00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:27,369
the unexplainable even though that's

702
00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:32,650
exactly what unidentified you means but

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00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:34,270
that that is very facile exactly the

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00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:36,070
point the article makes at least this

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00:36:41,370 --> 00:36:37,750
person west at the end of it

706
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:41,380
saying yeah I mean he makes the perfect

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division yes I think that UFOs are real

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00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:45,940
he doesn't believe in UFOs he says I

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00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:47,140
think they're real I think there's a

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reality to them etc and then go through

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00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:53,200
some of the arguments of why he thinks

712
00:36:59,340 --> 00:36:55,900
they're real and then he says but in

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00:37:01,140 --> 00:36:59,350
this particular case there is geology to

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00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:01,150
show that there is conventional cause

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00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:02,770
for it they always look for the

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00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:08,050
conventional cause then be we too

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00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:11,140
quickly rely on UFOs now when we did the

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00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:13,300
show before when we were talking before

719
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,700
about this this was not oh this is

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definitely a UFO base and they're here

721
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:20,670
to conquer the world didn't say that

722
00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:24,910
what the point is what is it what does

723
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,100
it look like does it look perfectly

724
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,440
natural no it looks totally artificial

725
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,560
and that's exactly and that's exactly

726
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:34,720
that there's an agreement it looks it is

727
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:36,670
perceived to be because it looks that

728
00:37:39,330 --> 00:37:39,100
way artificial doesn't mean we know that

729
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,340
it's

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00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:41,440
official just looks man-made to me I

731
00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:43,150
mean I look at it and I say well that

732
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:44,980
really looks man-made that's a little

733
00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:47,320
too symmetrical um I understand the

734
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:49,660
geology that they're talking about but

735
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:53,440
it's too localized for me and then yet

736
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:55,960
yes it is in the continental shelf the

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00:38:01,650 --> 00:37:58,330
these are the Google Earth photos yes

738
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:01,660
this is into the continental shelf yes

739
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:05,410
this is 2,000 feet deep the one

740
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:06,850
statement and the Huffington Post that

741
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:08,770
nothing could drill down there well

742
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:11,920
that's not totally true what if we

743
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:14,200
didn't start drilling down there what if

744
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:16,270
you started drilling someplace else and

745
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:21,100
exited there so I mean that is yeah yes

746
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:22,930
it's 2,000 square feet and let's say you

747
00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:25,330
had a rig and everything else yeah there

748
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:27,340
was a technology to do that in fact the

749
00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:32,590
technology to do that is so old that it

750
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:35,860
dates back to the 1950s well yeah I mean

751
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:38,740
there's right behind that and all the

752
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:40,330
way up and down the coast as you know

753
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:42,250
there's oil rigs all over the place

754
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:43,990
where they're drilling much deeper than

755
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:46,300
that I mean that's I mean you know I'm

756
00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:49,540
not I know you're not referring to you

757
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:51,160
know jumping down there with a Makita

758
00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:54,130
you know a lithium battery drill that

759
00:38:58,500 --> 00:38:56,140
you buy at Home Depot no certainly not

760
00:39:01,200 --> 00:38:58,510
but we're you know there's deep-sea

761
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:01,210
drilling that's done every single day

762
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:03,450
and you're right and we've been laying

763
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:06,550
cable across the Atlantic Ocean since

764
00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:08,950
since we don't know when they're it's

765
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:12,460
it's not that big of a deal to to go

766
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:15,250
deep alright we had the technology to do

767
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:19,690
that now is is that a UFO base is are

768
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,270
their UFOs in there are we jumping to

769
00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:24,420
that thing know one of the things that I

770
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:26,860
suggested and we both agreed that

771
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:28,840
there's a possibility is that it

772
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:30,850
certainly could be ours that there is a

773
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:34,480
labyrinth of tunnels underneath at least

774
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:36,040
underneath the western part of the

775
00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:39,820
United States let me ask you this the

776
00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:41,800
article itself is you know I want

777
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:44,500
everybody else's opinion my opinion is

778
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:47,050
is not really worth anything because I'm

779
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:50,440
just a guy that is involved with the

780
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:52,690
article but my opinion is is

781
00:40:01,530 --> 00:39:57,490
whatever but the when you're writing an

782
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:01,540
article like that or or not dealing with

783
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,550
this kind of subject and he's mentioned

784
00:40:10,319 --> 00:40:07,119
this earlier when you're in journal is

785
00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:10,329
and I've taken journalism when you there

786
00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:11,740
are some things that they don't teach

787
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:14,260
you in school they you know you have to

788
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:15,940
find out once you're a boot on the

789
00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:17,740
ground and you're out there and you're

790
00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:19,030
doing your reporting and you're

791
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:20,980
uncovering stories no matter what and

792
00:40:26,910 --> 00:40:24,220
then you take that story back to the

793
00:40:28,349 --> 00:40:26,920
newsroom and you try to push it through

794
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:28,359
and get it done and get it on the air

795
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:30,460
get it in print that's the way it works

796
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:34,390
but what how you know how filtered is

797
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:36,790
stuff done after that you you've written

798
00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:38,770
you know New York Times bestselling

799
00:40:42,450 --> 00:40:40,839
books you know well what if this

800
00:40:45,329 --> 00:40:42,460
filtered I mean as far as the media is

801
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:45,339
concerned there is a slow skate certain

802
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,500
things get through certain things are

803
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:49,839
demeaned certain things just don't even

804
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:52,690
get mentioned and that's why when you

805
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:54,609
hear on some of the new shows wow we

806
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:56,530
just discovered this how come nobody's

807
00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:58,450
picked up on this well the fact is there

808
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:59,980
are things that you don't pick up on

809
00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:02,800
either in some cases because you don't

810
00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:04,420
know in some cases you do know and

811
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:06,430
choose not to pick up right so I mean

812
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,710
that has certainly been my experience

813
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,960
with the media I mean in the dr.

814
00:41:15,329 --> 00:41:12,400
feelgood book that I wrote with Rick

815
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:15,339
alerts Minh arbic was our book was

816
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:17,650
picked up by all the conservative

817
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:19,900
right-wing media they loved it yeah you

818
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:24,220
know I mean and and then actually you

819
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:26,050
know when I think about it it's funny

820
00:41:33,569 --> 00:41:29,050
yes I this is definitely a commercial

821
00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:33,579
book I put a lot of scandal in there sex

822
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:36,819
things like that all in there but if

823
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:40,720
there was an intellectual conceit kind

824
00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:42,460
of an academic and seat behind it at

825
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:45,880
least them from my perspective then it

826
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:49,300
is it's the story of a drug and yet

827
00:41:53,819 --> 00:41:51,670
because it dealt with President

828
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:53,829
Kennedy's drug addiction and because

829
00:41:57,930 --> 00:41:55,960
it's speculated on how that drug

830
00:42:03,170 --> 00:41:57,940
addiction caused a cascade effect in

831
00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:05,370
personality predilections he already had

832
00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:06,460
like womanizing I

833
00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:08,020
Jack even talks about that in her

834
00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:12,280
letters to the Irish priest so so but it

835
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:14,740
was this larger issue to me at least of

836
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:18,880
how a drug that a doctor injects into

837
00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:22,570
himself has the power to corrupt this is

838
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:24,580
not magical thinking this is biological

839
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:26,740
thinking has the power to corrupt that

840
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:29,530
doctor into a state of hyper grandiosity

841
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,430
and want to give that drug to the world

842
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:36,400
and use that drug ultimately as a means

843
00:42:42,089 --> 00:42:38,589
of controlling other people wound up

844
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:42,099
controlling John F Kennedy and and

845
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,290
Jackie but using it to control other

846
00:42:50,579 --> 00:42:47,680
people but in that process of that drugs

847
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:50,589
migration creating a colony of users

848
00:42:57,870 --> 00:42:54,310
around this dr. feelgood max Jacobson in

849
00:43:00,900 --> 00:42:57,880
so doing it made him when he crossed

850
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:00,910
Richard Nixon it made him the lightning

851
00:43:06,859 --> 00:43:04,210
rod and really the the focus for the war

852
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,869
on drugs so there's all this legitimate

853
00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:09,520
history policy stuff in it but the fact

854
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:13,270
but there were two things one you're

855
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:14,950
talking about President Kennedy's drug

856
00:43:20,430 --> 00:43:17,460
addiction that's been a no-no that's

857
00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:20,440
been a no-no in the press ever since the

858
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,500
1960s Jackie O is off limits too right

859
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:25,599
Jackie O's off limits and in fact the

860
00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:27,550
whole Kennedy family is awful limits a

861
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:29,260
little off limits okay

862
00:43:33,329 --> 00:43:31,660
like the skate Hill cousin kid was

863
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:33,339
enough limits because he was charged of

864
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:36,280
the crime but really off limits so

865
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:38,230
that's on the one hand on the other hand

866
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:40,750
because I did UFO hunters and UFO FILES

867
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:42,970
and all those other shows for

868
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:48,070
a lot of years then that's another thing

869
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:50,980
oh how can a book even if there is some

870
00:43:56,070 --> 00:43:53,770
legitimacy to that be written by the

871
00:43:58,530 --> 00:43:56,080
person who is oh I know that guy from

872
00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:58,540
the sunglasses and baseball hat so on

873
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:00,730
the one hand so there were two strikes

874
00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:03,430
against it the but the other books have

875
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:05,140
done that have really been pure psych

876
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:09,670
books on psychiatry and criminology the

877
00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:12,070
early books before you eff hunters are

878
00:44:17,130 --> 00:44:13,720
still selling I mean I have books

879
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:17,140
literally 20 years old that are still

880
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:19,150
selling um even though the information

881
00:44:24,060 --> 00:44:20,260
is you

882
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:24,070
parsley at a date the arm but the newer

883
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:26,680
ones especially that the two newer ones

884
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:30,670
from from this past year really it's the

885
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:32,020
same thing with the meeting even though

886
00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:33,640
they purport to address the very

887
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:36,700
problems you will hear on an MSNBC or a

888
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:41,680
C and then in the evenings you don't see

889
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:42,790
them breaking through the surface

890
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:45,130
tension so I know that there are a whole

891
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,300
bunch to answer your question

892
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:47,680
specifically yes there are a whole bunch

893
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:50,410
of filters in the media I mean even

894
00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:53,730
things like independent book reviewers a

895
00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:57,070
for example the New York Times will pick

896
00:45:02,100 --> 00:44:59,470
a certain reviewer for a certain book in

897
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:02,110
in in cases where the person knows if

898
00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:03,310
that person's relationship with the

899
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:07,600
author you had mentioned the was the

900
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,180
Overton Window there is there is this

901
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:12,640
window of acceptability this framework

902
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:15,190
of what the media can carry as a news

903
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:17,740
story this was a project I think it's

904
00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:19,930
out in Michigan it was called the

905
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Overton project and that framework is

906
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:23,650
called the Overton Window but it was the

907
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:26,350
Overton project and it's a study really

908
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:29,700
is almost like a sociological study a

909
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:33,670
sociological policy study of what kinds

910
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:35,230
of stories make it into the mainstream

911
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:38,740
so war gets in there crime gets in there

912
00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:39,970
if it bleeds it leads

913
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:44,470
but if it hovers and we cover that only

914
00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:46,210
lasted for a little bit of time and then

915
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:49,630
it's when the story breaks into the

916
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:52,540
media by a whole other way and I'm

917
00:45:59,580 --> 00:45:55,690
thinking of the 2008 O'Hare Airport

918
00:46:04,320 --> 00:45:59,590
story okay in 2007 2008 the O'Hare

919
00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:04,330
Airport story where the very very

920
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:06,430
djokovic the are the very very

921
00:46:13,230 --> 00:46:10,560
mainstream not a UFO guy not a UFO not

922
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:13,240
the very mainstream John Hill kovitch

923
00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:16,720
who is the travel reporter in Chicago I

924
00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:19,150
think is for the sugar the Tribune or

925
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:21,670
the sometimes I don't know but he's a

926
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Travel reporter and so he got a story

927
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:29,890
he's a Travel reporter now he got a

928
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:32,530
story from the ground crew at the Union

929
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:34,130
at the United Terminal at

930
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:37,250
haier that there was a strange object

931
00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:40,089
nobody called it a flying saucer a

932
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:44,750
strange object in the posing a collision

933
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:49,359
alert over United terminal C c-17 right

934
00:46:54,549 --> 00:46:52,730
yeah right yeah yeah yeah but yeah we

935
00:46:58,180 --> 00:46:54,559
get seventy but the point of this whole

936
00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:58,190
thing was they had to report this this

937
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:00,440
is not you know some guy walking his dog

938
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:02,569
seeing lights in the sky this is they

939
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:04,970
had to report this as a matter of their

940
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:07,730
job they were the ground safety crew and

941
00:47:12,789 --> 00:47:10,970
the guy who first spotted it and didn't

942
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:12,799
go running to the media with the story

943
00:47:19,049 --> 00:47:15,710
the guy who first spotted it was driving

944
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,059
the tractor moving the jet to a

945
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:21,680
maintenance hangar so he's moving it by

946
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:23,180
the little tractor you see it airports

947
00:47:28,779 --> 00:47:26,089
towing the Jets in order to do that he

948
00:47:31,809 --> 00:47:28,789
must look through the cockpit windows at

949
00:47:36,370 --> 00:47:31,819
the pilots why they have to have their

950
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:36,380
hands off the controls correct right in

951
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:39,529
looking through the window their window

952
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,250
he sees this object he places a cell

953
00:47:49,690 --> 00:47:45,920
phone call a communication to the

954
00:47:53,769 --> 00:47:49,700
Pirates do you see that they do that is

955
00:47:56,259 --> 00:47:53,779
picked up on the radios that's how the

956
00:47:59,890 --> 00:47:56,269
story begins to gain some traction the

957
00:48:03,099 --> 00:47:59,900
ground control tower here is that story

958
00:48:06,779 --> 00:48:03,109
I interviewed the guy in the tower picks

959
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:06,789
up that story and it issues a collision

960
00:48:15,279 --> 00:48:10,220
warning for all the planes around this

961
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:15,289
terminal this wing we have a UFO that

962
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:16,609
people are spotting it doesn't mean

963
00:48:22,359 --> 00:48:20,569
flying saucer but the FAA deep-six is

964
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:22,369
the whole story this is by that that's

965
00:48:28,839 --> 00:48:24,140
February the FAA deep-six is the whole

966
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:28,849
story but little beknownst to the faa

967
00:48:32,289 --> 00:48:31,250
all these things are taped by United

968
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:32,299
Airlines because they have an

969
00:48:37,029 --> 00:48:35,089
independent investigation of a ground

970
00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:37,039
safety incidents so the tapes are all

971
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:40,670
preserved so the so the ground crew go

972
00:48:45,789 --> 00:48:43,910
to the FAA they get no response they go

973
00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:45,799
to United and they have copies of all

974
00:48:49,870 --> 00:48:47,780
the emails and drawings of this thing

975
00:48:54,430 --> 00:48:49,880
what it did how it did it that's

976
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:54,440
secondary to this so the FAA denies Sir

977
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:56,210
John Hill kovitch gets these complaints

978
00:49:00,190 --> 00:48:58,130
from these people saying we had a object

979
00:49:02,290 --> 00:49:00,200
over the gate and the FAA did not he

980
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:02,300
calls the FAA they say oh no no we don't

981
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:05,270
have any tapes they lie to John Hill

982
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:07,850
kovitch the reporter then Johnny Hill

983
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:09,530
coverage says well I'm gonna do a FOIA

984
00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:11,000
request and you really can't withhold

985
00:49:17,860 --> 00:49:13,900
them unless you invoke national security

986
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:17,870
suddenly the emails and messages radio

987
00:49:22,660 --> 00:49:20,960
messages appear and indeed the FAA knew

988
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:22,670
all about this thing they were tracking

989
00:49:27,610 --> 00:49:25,730
the the entire story so the story may or

990
00:49:30,340 --> 00:49:27,620
may not be about what the object was

991
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:30,350
right but the story is what happened to

992
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:33,470
suppress the news of the object and the

993
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,690
bigger story is why john hook that

994
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:38,000
reported in the newspaper how it got

995
00:49:44,770 --> 00:49:39,890
through the Overton Window of

996
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:44,780
acceptability right was that it had to

997
00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:48,730
do with travel safety not a UFO

998
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:51,980
interesting and because it had to do but

999
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:54,680
because he mentioned a UFO in the

1000
00:49:59,920 --> 00:49:57,890
article the Chicago website got millions

1001
00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:59,930
of hits I interviewed there the reporter

1002
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:02,180
to it big enough the magazine I got

1003
00:50:07,210 --> 00:50:05,240
millions of hits so it led to this joke

1004
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:07,220
in the UFO community if it hovers we

1005
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:09,890
cover because suddenly everybody wanted

1006
00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:11,930
to do a UFO story about this because it

1007
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:14,060
was getting so much traction which shows

1008
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:16,420
the underlying interest but officially

1009
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:19,970
the story was deep-six by the FAA and of

1010
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:22,850
course it's now old news but right

1011
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:25,310
example of how the Overton Window works

1012
00:50:35,350 --> 00:50:29,570
so we should have just reported on a 600

1013
00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:35,360
foot pillar if you were a news reporter

1014
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:37,630
if you were a news reporter first of all

1015
00:50:41,890 --> 00:50:40,370
you're not breaking news right saying

1016
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:41,900
here's what I got look at these pictures

1017
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,580
and here's like I put it on the website

1018
00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:45,200
what do you think think think you know

1019
00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:47,180
think out of the box it's really what

1020
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:48,620
we're talking about we're not talking

1021
00:50:54,910 --> 00:50:50,990
about we're a pair of geologists

1022
00:50:59,740 --> 00:50:54,920
discussing this this object in the

1023
00:51:01,569 --> 00:50:59,750
display as on an academic basis let's

1024
00:51:03,130 --> 00:51:01,579
take a let's take a I've got

1025
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,140
three or four calls holding right now

1026
00:51:07,979 --> 00:51:06,079
let's take one really quick hello where

1027
00:51:11,409 --> 00:51:07,989
you calling from what's your name oh

1028
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:11,419
this is Brad I'm calling from Ohio

1029
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:14,089
Brad buying contest winner oh hey Brad

1030
00:51:24,429 --> 00:51:20,620
absolutely great Brad is one of our

1031
00:51:26,529 --> 00:51:24,439
winners to contact in the desert and oh

1032
00:51:31,179 --> 00:51:26,539
good for you Brad yeah absolutely

1033
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:31,189
and Brad congratulations and now you're

1034
00:51:36,339 --> 00:51:32,569
gonna you're coming out right you're

1035
00:51:39,789 --> 00:51:36,349
coming to the show oh man I can't wait

1036
00:51:42,729 --> 00:51:39,799
I'm so excited it's just uh it's a big

1037
00:51:44,919 --> 00:51:42,739
deal for me man it's uh had kind of a

1038
00:51:46,659 --> 00:51:44,929
lot of rough last year or so and this is

1039
00:51:48,339 --> 00:51:46,669
just when it's red everything straight

1040
00:51:51,370 --> 00:51:48,349
well you love the desert I can tell you

1041
00:51:52,959 --> 00:51:51,380
that yeah it's good yeah Brad it's uh

1042
00:51:55,229 --> 00:51:52,969
it's gonna be a wonderful time and

1043
00:51:58,179 --> 00:51:55,239
looking forward to meeting you and so

1044
00:52:01,299 --> 00:51:58,189
you're online right now with uh with

1045
00:52:05,049 --> 00:52:01,309
Bill burns now Brad you've won a contest

1046
00:52:06,729 --> 00:52:05,059
two tickets to contact in the desert now

1047
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:06,739
it looks like you're gonna I'm gonna

1048
00:52:10,809 --> 00:52:09,049
give you a DVD tonight all right so I'll

1049
00:52:13,449 --> 00:52:10,819
let see I'll let you take first crack

1050
00:52:15,309 --> 00:52:13,459
you got Don Ecker Paul Stonehill Preston

1051
00:52:18,099 --> 00:52:15,319
Dennett let me see what else we got here

1052
00:52:20,379 --> 00:52:18,109
we got Donna Schmidt Michael Cremo I've

1053
00:52:23,529 --> 00:52:20,389
got a few of each which one do you want

1054
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:23,539
I guess what that came up for sure you

1055
00:52:29,069 --> 00:52:25,880
want cream Oh that'd be my choice -

1056
00:52:31,779 --> 00:52:29,079
that's actually pretty good all right

1057
00:52:33,879 --> 00:52:31,789
all right there it is there's your DVD

1058
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,889
I'm handing it off to the producers

1059
00:52:40,779 --> 00:52:36,079
there you go we'll get that in the mail

1060
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:40,789
- you do me a favor and just send Rita

1061
00:52:44,919 --> 00:52:43,369
your address and we'll look for the

1062
00:52:46,929 --> 00:52:44,929
email and we'll get that out to you okay

1063
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:46,939
so do you have a question for Bill or

1064
00:52:52,449 --> 00:52:50,089
comments on the article yeah I you know

1065
00:52:55,509 --> 00:52:52,459
I just wanted to call in and let you

1066
00:53:00,009 --> 00:52:55,519
know how cool this is I mean this this

1067
00:53:04,089 --> 00:53:00,019
Malibu Bass was just to me it's a huge

1068
00:53:06,669 --> 00:53:04,099
huge breath of fresh air I think because

1069
00:53:08,889 --> 00:53:06,679
like I don't have a lot of friends there

1070
00:53:10,659 --> 00:53:08,899
you know Andy you sod you hear anything

1071
00:53:13,299 --> 00:53:10,669
and each I had talked to them and I call

1072
00:53:14,980 --> 00:53:13,309
union area 51 the road I guess the only

1073
00:53:19,390 --> 00:53:14,990
time Hastings and see

1074
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:19,400
right and in people people who aren't

1075
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:22,970
English are hearing about it you know

1076
00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:26,210
and it's it's so cool because it's kind

1077
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:27,470
of pushing her out there a little bit

1078
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,850
you know it's kind of giving a new

1079
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:31,280
breath and people are getting into them

1080
00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:33,110
and it's just great it's just a really

1081
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:36,920
cool thing and this show is just awesome

1082
00:53:42,370 --> 00:53:39,610
I mean you guys

1083
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:42,380
you're doing a fantastic job I can't say

1084
00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:46,400
not hey hey Brad thank you thank you for

1085
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:49,220
the kind words I've got calls backed up

1086
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:52,190
you know you're the man right Rita right

1087
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:55,730
now and send Rita your address and we'll

1088
00:53:59,700 --> 00:53:57,770
get that out to you and I'll talk to you

1089
00:54:06,280 --> 00:53:59,710
tomorrow night man

1090
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,290
Thank You Brad the best man Michael

1091
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:08,480
Anderson is on the line Michael how are

1092
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:13,280
you sir hey well you're talking to the

1093
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:35,240
the man himself thank you he's like the

1094
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:36,920
Jiminy Cricket who lets you know when

1095
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:46,690
you step in off the line what do you

1096
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:49,490
what do you think about James Randi and

1097
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:52,670
what's your opinion about you know what

1098
00:55:00,640 --> 00:54:57,130
he does kind of for or against the weird

1099
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:00,650
anything non-traditional okay so first

1100
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:04,400
in a show in a shameless self plug I

1101
00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:07,700
direct you to a book that I wrote with

1102
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:09,230
Joe Martin that came out last year

1103
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:12,410
called the haunting of the 21st century

1104
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,970
which documents in meticulous detail the

1105
00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:19,359
confrontations between James Randi and

1106
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:23,540
uri geller and where joel martin was in

1107
00:55:28,569 --> 00:55:26,690
the middle of all this and how a lot of

1108
00:55:31,929 --> 00:55:28,579
this you'll love this

1109
00:55:37,059 --> 00:55:31,939
how a lot of this but was pushed along

1110
00:55:40,569 --> 00:55:37,069
by the man who invented velcro

1111
00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:40,579
his name was his name was Webster and

1112
00:55:49,630 --> 00:55:46,519
he's right it's the haunting of the 21st

1113
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:49,640
century I wrote it with Joe Martin in in

1114
00:55:55,689 --> 00:55:52,640
the whole first chapter is it answers

1115
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:55,699
your question exactly but in short order

1116
00:56:00,160 --> 00:55:58,729
during a lawsuit between James Randi and

1117
00:56:03,459 --> 00:56:00,170
uri geller

1118
00:56:06,219 --> 00:56:03,469
this was after in this tells the story

1119
00:56:08,169 --> 00:56:06,229
of James Randi faking something on the

1120
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:08,179
Johnny Carson show to show up your

1121
00:56:13,779 --> 00:56:12,319
regular and but Joel talks about the

1122
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:13,789
fact that this one person

1123
00:56:19,179 --> 00:56:16,640
his name was Ben Webster he was the guy

1124
00:56:21,009 --> 00:56:19,189
who literally invented velcro he was a

1125
00:56:25,779 --> 00:56:21,019
Scot and he and it was how the Thistle

1126
00:56:28,959 --> 00:56:25,789
stuck and he financed a private

1127
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:28,969
investigation of James Randi now I'm not

1128
00:56:33,749 --> 00:56:31,160
going to go into on the radio on Jimmy's

1129
00:56:36,729 --> 00:56:33,759
show and go through all the charges but

1130
00:56:38,999 --> 00:56:36,739
there was and here's the piers to here's

1131
00:56:42,009 --> 00:56:39,009
the bombshell for you there were

1132
00:56:45,099 --> 00:56:42,019
allegations made by the private

1133
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,109
investigator as to James Randy's

1134
00:56:51,549 --> 00:56:47,359
contacts with law enforcement agencies

1135
00:56:55,179 --> 00:56:51,559
okay let's just put it that way and so

1136
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:55,189
we speculate so the speculation was that

1137
00:57:01,239 --> 00:56:57,170
somehow Randy was being used as a

1138
00:57:03,279 --> 00:57:01,249
debunker by the powers that be and lest

1139
00:57:06,009 --> 00:57:03,289
you think the government does not stoop

1140
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:06,019
to that I'm sure you're aware of a

1141
00:57:10,179 --> 00:57:08,089
report called the Condon report out of

1142
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,189
the University of Colorado which

1143
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:12,400
essentially no matter what the

1144
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:14,209
contributors to the counter to the

1145
00:57:21,729 --> 00:57:18,380
condom report wrote Dean Condon was

1146
00:57:23,769 --> 00:57:21,739
scathing introduction which basically

1147
00:57:25,299 --> 00:57:23,779
said look we can't prove their UFOs here

1148
00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:25,309
we couldn't either at the National

1149
00:57:28,209 --> 00:57:26,599
Security so we should investigate him

1150
00:57:32,739 --> 00:57:28,219
anywhere goodbye nothing to see here go

1151
00:57:35,439 --> 00:57:32,749
home and then we found a letter that the

1152
00:57:38,229 --> 00:57:35,449
Air Force wrote to Edward Condon telling

1153
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:38,239
him straight up we need to get out of

1154
00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:41,390
this project Bluebook garbage so write a

1155
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:42,320
report say

1156
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:44,390
nothing here to see and we'll just shut

1157
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:47,960
down Blue Book but Edward Condon all the

1158
00:57:53,950 --> 00:57:51,530
way back in the late 1940s early 1950s

1159
00:57:57,130 --> 00:57:53,960
during the time that China was falling

1160
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:57,140
in the Korean War and all that Edward

1161
00:58:01,180 --> 00:57:59,210
Condon was investigated by the FBI for

1162
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:01,190
communist activities suddenly the

1163
00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:08,510
investigation dropped wonder why okay

1164
00:58:12,070 --> 00:58:11,540
hey Mike which DVD do you want really

1165
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:12,080
quick

1166
00:58:17,410 --> 00:58:15,110
that cursed stone hill tenant Schmidt or

1167
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:17,420
cream oh you know just throw a dart at

1168
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:19,610
one that's the one I'll take Don Ecker

1169
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:26,530
is yours what just a teen email Rita and

1170
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:30,470
she'll take care of it thank you thank

1171
00:58:42,010 --> 00:58:30,830
you

1172
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:42,020
yeah I've got all of my notifications

1173
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:49,120
okay got another call coming in let's

1174
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:50,810
you know what let's just keep going keep

1175
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:51,560
going

1176
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:54,950
why not okay you're live with Bill burns

1177
00:58:59,260 --> 00:58:56,030
on fade to black

1178
00:59:02,890 --> 00:58:59,270
Oh who's calling this is Dino in

1179
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,900
California you know yes do you know how

1180
00:59:06,250 --> 00:59:04,640
are you sir before let's just get it out

1181
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:06,260
of the way what do you want Stone Hill

1182
00:59:13,060 --> 00:59:10,910
ekor Dennett Schmidt cream Oh what do

1183
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:13,070
you what do you want I can't decide I'm

1184
00:59:18,490 --> 00:59:15,470
a Libra I don't know just Schmidt

1185
00:59:19,450 --> 00:59:18,500
Schmidt he wants Donnie Schmidt's Donnie

1186
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:19,460
Schmidt

1187
00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:21,770
all right good choice all right okay I'm

1188
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:24,140
trying to keep my mood up but you know I

1189
00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:26,030
told you it's too many years of research

1190
00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:28,460
and more intensely the last two or three

1191
00:59:31,810 --> 00:59:29,630
in this subject

1192
00:59:34,030 --> 00:59:31,820
I keep hearing I don't want to get into

1193
00:59:37,330 --> 00:59:34,040
a dark place but if this is not a true

1194
00:59:40,330 --> 00:59:37,340
subject of UFOs aliens and all this is

1195
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:40,340
not true then why don't we have hearings

1196
00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:42,440
why people like bassett they're gonna be

1197
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:44,900
out there doing stuff and and Stanton

1198
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:47,120
Friedman you know who's I like him he's

1199
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:49,220
very scientific and he has three tiers

1200
00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:51,710
and when I hear about the Phoenix lights

1201
00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:53,660
and everybody made a big deal and it

1202
00:59:58,809 --> 00:59:55,880
broke the media and and your mouth

1203
01:00:02,259 --> 00:59:58,819
boo base and Rendlesham forest but in

1204
01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:02,269
recent times these things come and maybe

1205
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:03,470
once in a while

1206
01:00:09,219 --> 01:00:06,529
general vanilla media will pick it up

1207
01:00:11,769 --> 01:00:09,229
and then nothing happens that's right

1208
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:11,779
that's exactly that's exactly the model

1209
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:16,690
because a long time ago in the nineteen

1210
01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:20,660
late 40s early 50s our intelligence

1211
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:24,200
agencies including the CIA went to a lot

1212
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:28,880
of the media and fed them stories now

1213
01:00:34,479 --> 01:00:31,630
when you if you want to have a fun time

1214
01:00:36,999 --> 01:00:34,489
you go back through some of the 1950s

1215
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:37,009
UFO movies in Alien movies like invaders

1216
01:00:42,249 --> 01:00:38,930
from Mars this island earth things like

1217
01:00:44,979 --> 01:00:42,259
that and look at some of those writers

1218
01:00:48,759 --> 01:00:44,989
from the late 1940s it incident to the

1219
01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:48,769
50s the Isaac Asimov sand again what you

1220
01:00:56,469 --> 01:00:53,150
will find is that these in some cases

1221
01:00:59,380 --> 01:00:56,479
these are stories that were seeded by

1222
01:01:02,829 --> 01:00:59,390
the government for the express purpose

1223
01:01:05,859 --> 01:01:02,839
of turning the UFO story into fiction so

1224
01:01:09,509 --> 01:01:05,869
here we are what 80 years or so after

1225
01:01:13,779 --> 01:01:09,519
Roswell or whatever so here we are and

1226
01:01:15,459 --> 01:01:13,789
we regard anything dealing with UFOs as

1227
01:01:17,979 --> 01:01:15,469
fiction in fact we regard that so

1228
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:17,989
strongly that people who love their

1229
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:20,569
science fiction like Trekkies Wright and

1230
01:01:26,979 --> 01:01:23,569
Star Wars people people who love that

1231
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:26,989
want to hear nothing about UFOs why

1232
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:29,930
harsh my mellow with stories of real

1233
01:01:32,859 --> 01:01:30,650
UFOs

1234
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,869
I enjoy my Star Trek I enjoy my Captain

1235
01:01:37,269 --> 01:01:34,640
Kirk I just agree with that because that

1236
01:01:39,819 --> 01:01:37,279
well I've been a Trekkie

1237
01:01:41,979 --> 01:01:39,829
a trekker for years and I like it better

1238
01:01:45,099 --> 01:01:41,989
than Star Wars and I was told by a

1239
01:01:47,049 --> 01:01:45,109
Russian guy years ago who was lecturing

1240
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:47,059
at a place about all kinds of strange

1241
01:01:50,769 --> 01:01:49,160
things after the fall of the Soviet

1242
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:50,779
Union that sounded like science fiction

1243
01:01:57,009 --> 01:01:53,450
that all that stuff you see on Star Trek

1244
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:57,019
we already have and can do a lot a lot

1245
01:02:02,499 --> 01:01:59,450
of that stuff a lot of that stuff you

1246
01:02:05,650 --> 01:02:02,509
know we now have but and we're even

1247
01:02:08,019 --> 01:02:05,660
experimenting now with the concept of a

1248
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:08,029
warp drive but the point that I'm trying

1249
01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:09,770
to make is it by and large

1250
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:12,680
we ran a story in UFO magazine this was

1251
01:02:20,530 --> 01:02:16,910
back in 2004 I think I ran the story ten

1252
01:02:24,190 --> 01:02:20,540
years ago and one of the things we ran

1253
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:24,200
was a contest do you want to write

1254
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,610
science fiction do you want to see

1255
01:02:29,710 --> 01:02:28,160
science fiction in the magazine and one

1256
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,720
of the people who was writing for us was

1257
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:31,760
the science fiction editor at tor

1258
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:35,090
publishers and the response from readers

1259
01:02:39,370 --> 01:02:36,890
was so negative we were threatened with

1260
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:39,380
canceled subscriptions I hate you I'm

1261
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:40,970
gonna come after you in California and

1262
01:02:46,090 --> 01:02:43,910
so that was how crazy was and so we

1263
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:46,100
backed away from having any fiction

1264
01:02:54,550 --> 01:02:50,900
mixed with quote-unquote nonfiction so

1265
01:02:57,610 --> 01:02:54,560
but as to why as to your main question

1266
01:02:59,920 --> 01:02:57,620
why there has been no general disclosure

1267
01:03:01,630 --> 01:02:59,930
why it's why these news stories go away

1268
01:03:05,530 --> 01:03:01,640
it's because that's what the government

1269
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:05,540
wants because in my opinion the real

1270
01:03:11,380 --> 01:03:08,930
truth about UFOs goes not to some

1271
01:03:13,630 --> 01:03:11,390
visitors of another planet but goes to

1272
01:03:17,710 --> 01:03:13,640
our very existence on planet earth and

1273
01:03:20,830 --> 01:03:17,720
the very structure of a corporate system

1274
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:20,840
that we're in and and the more I examine

1275
01:03:24,070 --> 01:03:22,310
this from different aspects I'm not

1276
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:24,080
being spiritual I'm saying that I see

1277
01:03:27,790 --> 01:03:26,090
this as something vaguely political

1278
01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:27,800
because why would the government care if

1279
01:03:31,150 --> 01:03:29,180
UFOs are real you know if they don't

1280
01:03:33,130 --> 01:03:31,160
pose a threat yeah they're real who

1281
01:03:36,970 --> 01:03:33,140
cares the people from another planet in

1282
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:36,980
fact in our early framers and founders

1283
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:39,110
like George Washington and Benjamin

1284
01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:41,210
Franklin and Thomas Jefferson fully

1285
01:03:45,550 --> 01:03:42,980
believed in life in other worlds because

1286
01:03:47,380 --> 01:03:45,560
there was a book about life on other

1287
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:47,390
worlds in which this person came brought

1288
01:03:50,940 --> 01:03:48,770
it and said there's life on other worlds

1289
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:50,950
and all these people believed in it so

1290
01:03:57,090 --> 01:03:55,370
no it's nothing just everything you said

1291
01:04:00,220 --> 01:03:57,100
I mean the Day the Earth Stood Still

1292
01:04:02,110 --> 01:04:00,230
1951 probably planted the seed in my

1293
01:04:04,930 --> 01:04:02,120
little child's brain when I first saw

1294
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:04,940
that as a kid and to this day when I

1295
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:07,520
take it as an adult more seriously and I

1296
01:04:11,650 --> 01:04:09,050
look into this stuff this is what

1297
01:04:14,740 --> 01:04:11,660
depresses me that it gets to be so dark

1298
01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:14,750
and is it the government or is it the

1299
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:17,420
illuminated ones that are have a secret

1300
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:19,850
breakaway Society I mean it's it's

1301
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:21,410
depressing and when I talk to some

1302
01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:23,510
people who have known me for years

1303
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:25,790
respect me they'll listen to me but it's

1304
01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:27,770
like the guy said the other night he

1305
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:29,180
said you know you show them the light

1306
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:30,650
and it blinds them and they don't want

1307
01:04:33,490 --> 01:04:32,090
to get critical and they don't want to

1308
01:04:36,310 --> 01:04:33,500
think they don't want to think about

1309
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:36,320
9/11 and I used to say oh don't worry

1310
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:38,510
about that stuff and I'm just trying not

1311
01:04:43,060 --> 01:04:40,850
to be dark I just well don't be dark I

1312
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:43,070
mean it's it's not a question it's it's

1313
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:44,720
fully don't be dark but it worth and

1314
01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:46,370
there's such conventional explanation

1315
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:48,470
for a lot of this stuff for example the

1316
01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:51,110
reason is that nobody cares about UFOs

1317
01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:53,600
I mean if UFOs are out there I mean

1318
01:04:58,210 --> 01:04:56,270
think about this like just try and be

1319
01:05:00,490 --> 01:04:58,220
like don't be passionate but just be

1320
01:05:01,930 --> 01:05:00,500
rational if UFOs are out there and

1321
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:01,940
they're real if they're out there and

1322
01:05:06,910 --> 01:05:04,310
they're real what are you gonna do about

1323
01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:06,920
it what are you gonna do slap them

1324
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:08,540
around yeah I'm gonna do anything yeah

1325
01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:11,090
there's nothing you there's nothing you

1326
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,670
can do they're either real or they're

1327
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:15,920
fiction and if the government is hiding

1328
01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:19,250
the truth what do you care I mean I I

1329
01:05:23,950 --> 01:05:21,950
know it's a noun boy excuse me but to

1330
01:05:26,020 --> 01:05:23,960
that point I told a new friend that and

1331
01:05:27,790 --> 01:05:26,030
he is pretty intelligent guy and he

1332
01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:27,800
likes music and he does a lot of things

1333
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:29,660
but when I bring up this subject he goes

1334
01:05:34,090 --> 01:05:31,730
well it could be he said I don't care

1335
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:34,100
and I go how could you not care it could

1336
01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:35,410
change the world

1337
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:37,820
right it certainly could change the

1338
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:40,490
world but if it could change the world

1339
01:05:46,450 --> 01:05:43,850
and there is some reason that either

1340
01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:46,460
industry the Koch brothers who knows you

1341
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,920
know I mean could be anybody who doesn't

1342
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:51,440
want doesn't want us to know because

1343
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:54,380
there I mean let's just say for

1344
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:55,910
argument's sake we're talking about free

1345
01:06:02,470 --> 01:05:56,450
energy

1346
01:06:04,810 --> 01:06:02,480
an ax pilot for UFO Hunters that never

1347
01:06:07,390 --> 01:06:04,820
aired we actually have the discussion

1348
01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:07,400
with someone in the know about why the

1349
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:10,580
UFO secret is held by a closely knit

1350
01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:12,650
group and it's not being disclosed it's

1351
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:14,270
just a very interesting discussion I

1352
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:15,650
don't know how to get it up on the air

1353
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:22,490
but anyway but it's true that if let's

1354
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:26,170
just focus on one thing free energy ok

1355
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:29,570
zero-point energy free energy exactly

1356
01:06:33,010 --> 01:06:31,490
although some other researchers into

1357
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:33,020
zero-point energy have said flat-out

1358
01:06:36,859 --> 01:06:36,170
they have not found any UFOs that use it

1359
01:06:38,359 --> 01:06:36,869
hence put

1360
01:06:41,569 --> 01:06:38,369
funny we found out the UFO is better

1361
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:41,579
than you zero-point energy so so but but

1362
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:43,559
but let's just go back to this point

1363
01:06:50,289 --> 01:06:46,970
about let's go back to this point about

1364
01:06:54,859 --> 01:06:50,299
what the whole thing means by and large

1365
01:06:57,380 --> 01:06:54,869
by and large if industry is going to

1366
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:57,390
just to free energy or to some kind of

1367
01:07:01,789 --> 01:06:59,400
enter your wireless energy Tesla based

1368
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:01,799
wireless energy or so there has to be a

1369
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,680
huge industrial conversion it may take

1370
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:06,720
five years may take longer but there's

1371
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:08,670
got to be an industrial conversion so if

1372
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:11,369
there is some secret to making a profit

1373
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:14,910
on some of the technologies that come

1374
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:17,430
out of what we know about this other

1375
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:19,740
races other species even if it's species

1376
01:07:24,499 --> 01:07:21,960
in the dimension if there is anything

1377
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:24,509
like that industry is going to get their

1378
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:26,130
hands all over it nothing is going to

1379
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:28,950
happen for free I mean I'm familiar with

1380
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:31,049
all this and that's what depresses me

1381
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:33,450
because if we are in the America that I

1382
01:07:38,809 --> 01:07:35,730
grew up in you know the America that my

1383
01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:38,819
uncle was on Omaha Beach for and and

1384
01:07:43,819 --> 01:07:40,980
that's what worries me the most that a

1385
01:07:45,229 --> 01:07:43,829
few one-percenters are keeping the

1386
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:45,239
profit and running things because they

1387
01:07:49,249 --> 01:07:47,400
want to stretch out their profit that's

1388
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,259
what depresses me what happened to for

1389
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,359
the people by the people and that's why

1390
01:07:54,739 --> 01:07:53,039
I want to know the truth no matter how

1391
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:54,749
scary or how it disrupts the whole

1392
01:08:00,670 --> 01:07:57,930
system why I empathize with everything

1393
01:08:04,029 --> 01:08:00,680
you're saying but in practicality

1394
01:08:07,249 --> 01:08:04,039
since we're approximately the same age

1395
01:08:10,609 --> 01:08:07,259
we we I grew up in the same America that

1396
01:08:13,339 --> 01:08:10,619
you did and one of the things you come

1397
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:13,349
to see at least in the business that I'm

1398
01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:15,900
in and one of the things that you come

1399
01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:18,359
to see is that it wasn't what we thought

1400
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:21,630
it was I mean the 1938 war the world's

1401
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:23,489
broadcast we think it was just you know

1402
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,049
a gambit fun it was actually financed by

1403
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:30,900
the Rockefeller Foundation through Frank

1404
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:33,270
Stanton at Princeton who later became

1405
01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:37,650
the head of CBS and the reactions to

1406
01:08:44,180 --> 01:08:39,900
that 1938 Mercury Theater of the Year

1407
01:08:45,979 --> 01:08:44,190
broadcast were manufactured by certain

1408
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:45,989
people planting stories in the media it

1409
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:50,670
never happened it was a total hoax for

1410
01:08:58,999 --> 01:08:53,940
Rand report years later to cite that

1411
01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:59,009
event in 1938 as a rationale for not

1412
01:09:04,220 --> 01:09:01,319
disclosing anything about UFOs and what

1413
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:04,230
you know what a bona fide bona fide

1414
01:09:10,459 --> 01:09:06,060
looking back and as great as that

1415
01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:10,469
broadcast was a test a test and it just

1416
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:12,390
and they were able to go look we can't

1417
01:09:16,910 --> 01:09:14,130
do it because look what look what

1418
01:09:18,620 --> 01:09:16,920
happened right and it didn't happen what

1419
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:18,630
they said happened didn't happen right

1420
01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:21,290
exactly right

1421
01:09:27,169 --> 01:09:24,120
anything so so the point that I'm trying

1422
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:27,179
to make to you is here that this wasn't

1423
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:29,910
the kind of America you think it was but

1424
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:32,370
enjoy whatever memories you have just as

1425
01:09:38,959 --> 01:09:35,400
I do because their memories of bliss but

1426
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:38,969
the fact is all the people we revere and

1427
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:41,730
and we've had UFO disclosure so don't be

1428
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:44,040
dark about it here's the first UFO

1429
01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:46,770
disclosure we had Harry Truman Harry

1430
01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:48,359
Truman went on the air disclosing the

1431
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:50,819
existence of UFOs he said these are UFOs

1432
01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:51,870
we know what they are

1433
01:09:55,700 --> 01:09:54,390
okay maybe President Eisenhower didn't

1434
01:09:57,650 --> 01:09:55,710
same thing but he certainly talked about

1435
01:09:58,939 --> 01:09:57,660
ghosts in a White House and it was a

1436
01:10:01,160 --> 01:09:58,949
ghost in the White House that helped him

1437
01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:01,170
discover a structural flaw that was

1438
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:05,270
President Eisenhower President Nixon was

1439
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:08,130
actually showing Jackie Gleason where

1440
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,890
the alien bodies are buried and JFK if

1441
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,780
you read some of the secret JFK memos

1442
01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:15,600
about UFOs and and and the Marilyn

1443
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:18,420
Monroe tapped phone transcript in which

1444
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:20,820
she says the JFK told her about UFOs

1445
01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:23,730
these are all items for disclosure and

1446
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,340
even John Lennon I mean Yoko Ono will

1447
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,380
talk about it in his the girlfriend what

1448
01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:31,440
was the Mayling yeah lately yeah she has

1449
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:34,949
admitted that John and Yoko said John

1450
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:36,570
said hey you know the other night in New

1451
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:38,190
York you know I woke up I couldn't sleep

1452
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:39,840
and I opened the door and there were

1453
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:41,910
these six midgets outside you know and

1454
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:44,100
she said she believes him she didn't see

1455
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,440
anything but you know that but that

1456
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:48,239
that's that's what's getting to the

1457
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:50,730
present and what happened and look what

1458
01:10:56,419 --> 01:10:53,340
happened to John Lennon and yeah and and

1459
01:10:58,370 --> 01:10:56,429
figure out I figure out what Y and what

1460
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:58,380
book was in his back pocket and what

1461
01:11:01,189 --> 01:11:00,060
books and Mark Chapman's back pocket

1462
01:11:03,929 --> 01:11:01,199
that's right

1463
01:11:06,750 --> 01:11:03,939
oh hey you know what I wanted to

1464
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:06,760
back to the zero-point energy discussion

1465
01:11:12,509 --> 01:11:09,070
because last night I mentioned on the

1466
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,519
show teleportation and we are right

1467
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:15,280
there and I guarantee I'm telling you

1468
01:11:24,419 --> 01:11:16,449
right now

1469
01:11:26,370 --> 01:11:24,429
leaked it Jimmy yeah little bit about

1470
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:26,380
three or four years ago they did

1471
01:11:30,509 --> 01:11:28,300
something on a science thing saying oh

1472
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:30,519
we were able to teleport but it was only

1473
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:33,070
like a couple of atoms and we right yes

1474
01:11:39,959 --> 01:11:36,729
yes yes so and with 3d printing 3d

1475
01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:39,969
printing really that's teleportation of

1476
01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:42,550
you if you ask me but but it's that but

1477
01:11:47,449 --> 01:11:44,590
but let me just say this to your point

1478
01:11:49,890 --> 01:11:47,459
Dino with Ted the reason why

1479
01:11:51,899 --> 01:11:49,900
teleportation isn't available right now

1480
01:11:55,109 --> 01:11:51,909
think about it if we could teleport to

1481
01:11:57,719 --> 01:11:55,119
work every day we if that's it there

1482
01:12:00,239 --> 01:11:57,729
would be no reason to sell another drop

1483
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,249
of oil if we can there be also we'd have

1484
01:12:04,109 --> 01:12:02,320
a solution to some of the global warming

1485
01:12:05,549 --> 01:12:04,119
whether you believe it or not I see the

1486
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,559
weather changing I don't like right

1487
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:06,880
right right

1488
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:09,610
so which one which evil is worse well

1489
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:13,570
but the ah that's a good question so

1490
01:12:16,739 --> 01:12:15,489
there's a logical question which evil is

1491
01:12:20,429 --> 01:12:16,749
worth is worse

1492
01:12:22,679 --> 01:12:20,439
it depends not on which evil is worse ok

1493
01:12:25,409 --> 01:12:22,689
this is a an existential question you

1494
01:12:29,819 --> 01:12:25,419
just raised it doesn't depend on what

1495
01:12:33,330 --> 01:12:29,829
evil is worst at all it depends on who

1496
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:33,340
benefits from whatever evil it is and

1497
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:36,159
that's the way you have to look ok as

1498
01:12:41,250 --> 01:12:38,409
long as those profits are there those

1499
01:12:44,909 --> 01:12:41,260
petrol dollars are there and the every

1500
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:44,919
every economy for every country in the

1501
01:12:49,469 --> 01:12:47,199
world is based on petrol dollars it

1502
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:49,479
doesn't matter if it's Russia and it

1503
01:12:53,879 --> 01:12:51,489
doesn't matter if it's Venezuela it just

1504
01:12:57,209 --> 01:12:53,889
it just doesn't matter what it what

1505
01:12:59,909 --> 01:12:57,219
country it is they all have cars they

1506
01:13:02,489 --> 01:12:59,919
all need to buy oil and as long as oil

1507
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:02,499
is traded in dollars and petrol dollars

1508
01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:06,729
drive the entire world's economy nothing

1509
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,070
is gonna change not until that changes

1510
01:13:15,029 --> 01:13:11,679
so until then there are isn't going to

1511
01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:15,039
be any alternative you know I saw the

1512
01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:17,350
other day check this out bill I

1513
01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:20,740
saw the other day an electric car from

1514
01:13:27,930 --> 01:13:24,340
19 I want to say 1918 something like

1515
01:13:32,180 --> 01:13:27,940
that some crazy date that got a hundred

1516
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:32,190
miles per charge at 35 miles an hour

1517
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:36,250
1918 now we're doing the exact same

1518
01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:38,830
thing today you're getting 60 miles on a

1519
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:40,900
charge or whatever it is you know what I

1520
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:41,290
mean

1521
01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:44,320
nothing is advanced and and what about

1522
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:46,450
the steam motors the steam cars they

1523
01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:49,090
have water well there's that there's

1524
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:52,060
that aspect too but what I mean is none

1525
01:13:57,930 --> 01:13:55,270
of that matters to anybody until petrol

1526
01:13:59,970 --> 01:13:57,940
dollars changes and okay yeah it would

1527
01:14:01,860 --> 01:13:59,980
matter to me if I could run my house on

1528
01:14:03,450 --> 01:14:01,870
something the size of a suitcase I'd

1529
01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:03,460
retire now and I'd do some other

1530
01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:05,470
pursuits that would help the world more

1531
01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:07,480
than what I'm doing for so you live so

1532
01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:09,100
you live in California where in

1533
01:14:14,370 --> 01:14:11,950
California I like to keep it secret I'm

1534
01:14:15,930 --> 01:14:14,380
a little paranoid why do you live in

1535
01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:15,940
Northern California or Southern

1536
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:19,620
California in Northern California yes

1537
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:23,020
okay and do you have a lot of Sun where

1538
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:27,730
you live not as much as Southern Cal

1539
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:31,600
okay well I guess my suggestion is you

1540
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:34,150
can start taking those steps right now

1541
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:37,210
even though they may be minimal for

1542
01:14:42,690 --> 01:14:40,210
example if you have a solar powers on

1543
01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:42,700
your solar panels on your roof if you've

1544
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:46,030
got extra solar panels outside you can

1545
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:49,210
have hot water heat in your house just

1546
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:51,550
through the solar panels and the

1547
01:14:56,370 --> 01:14:54,400
batteries is it preferred to have it on

1548
01:14:59,070 --> 01:14:56,380
their roots and and I have double pane

1549
01:15:01,320 --> 01:14:59,080
windows I invested in that right so

1550
01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:01,330
excess water heater so I'm not burning a

1551
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:03,550
pilot all the time there you go there

1552
01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:05,890
you go clean it just think if that could

1553
01:15:12,690 --> 01:15:09,100
run you know on $5.00 a month instead of

1554
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,700
the PG&E bill of you know a hundred and

1555
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,800
fifty a month wouldn't that change that

1556
01:15:19,470 --> 01:15:16,960
people could work less and maybe do

1557
01:15:22,890 --> 01:15:19,480
productive things maybe mellow out maybe

1558
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,900
create things and maybe be better than

1559
01:15:26,670 --> 01:15:24,640
nicer to each other and solve some of

1560
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:26,680
those problems instead of sweating and

1561
01:15:30,450 --> 01:15:29,410
toiling on a forty hour week job so

1562
01:15:31,290 --> 01:15:30,460
here's the big picture

1563
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:31,300
here's the

1564
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:33,489
big picture you gotta go you're

1565
01:15:37,129 --> 01:15:34,960
absolutely right in everything you just

1566
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:37,139
said but see here's the big picture if

1567
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:43,409
what you say comes true there are those

1568
01:15:50,970 --> 01:15:47,110
who believe the world as they know it

1569
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:50,980
will come to an end it is important that

1570
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:53,530
you be kept working but I be kept

1571
01:15:57,660 --> 01:15:55,480
working that we all be kept working it

1572
01:16:01,680 --> 01:15:57,670
is important that we all be kept to

1573
01:16:06,660 --> 01:16:01,690
produce in fact the best explanation of

1574
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:06,670
this is in I think it's a 1978 movie

1575
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:09,010
it's called Network and it was written

1576
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:11,530
by Paddy Chayefsky and it's it stars Ned

1577
01:16:16,379 --> 01:16:13,449
Beatty and William Holden and Peter

1578
01:16:18,689 --> 01:16:16,389
Finch I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna

1579
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:18,699
take it anymore that's right and faye

1580
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:23,610
dunaway ned beatty speech to Peter Finch

1581
01:16:27,330 --> 01:16:26,110
explains it all that's why I think that

1582
01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:27,340
paddock askew is one of the most

1583
01:16:31,470 --> 01:16:28,780
pressing it writers in the world he

1584
01:16:33,569 --> 01:16:31,480
predicted the manipulation of news the

1585
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:33,579
corporate ownership of media and the

1586
01:16:39,299 --> 01:16:35,110
growth of reality television

1587
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:39,309
that speech says it all hey Dino really

1588
01:16:43,799 --> 01:16:41,290
quick before I let you go we've got you

1589
01:16:45,780 --> 01:16:43,809
know we've got a you know what's amazing

1590
01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:45,790
ya win some DVDs what did you think

1591
01:16:51,149 --> 01:16:49,000
about the Huffington Post article well

1592
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:51,159
see this is the same thing that that I

1593
01:16:55,229 --> 01:16:53,199
see with a lot of things you bring up a

1594
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:55,239
good point or someone who's a researcher

1595
01:16:59,459 --> 01:16:56,800
who's really serious and it's not a

1596
01:17:02,040 --> 01:16:59,469
conman comes up with evidence comes up

1597
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:02,050
with facts comes up and that's why I

1598
01:17:05,459 --> 01:17:04,030
want you to go underwater there before

1599
01:17:08,069 --> 01:17:05,469
they change something and move the

1600
01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:08,079
furniture because you can always get

1601
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:09,880
someone that will take the other side

1602
01:17:15,089 --> 01:17:11,770
until you have some kind of documented

1603
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:15,099
proof different mm it's in two thousand

1604
01:17:22,589 --> 01:17:18,239
feet of water so you'd have to get a

1605
01:17:27,450 --> 01:17:22,599
very deep water diving sub or one of

1606
01:17:29,790 --> 01:17:27,460
those robotic Rovers to do that and you

1607
01:17:31,620 --> 01:17:29,800
don't know what you're gonna get if it's

1608
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:31,630
pitch black and you don't know what

1609
01:17:36,930 --> 01:17:34,650
you're gonna get as you approach those

1610
01:17:40,649 --> 01:17:36,940
whether they're Caves whether they're

1611
01:17:43,589 --> 01:17:40,659
artificial or not that's part of a Navy

1612
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:43,599
base the Navy has a base at Point Dume

1613
01:17:48,810 --> 01:17:45,250
it's very serious

1614
01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:48,820
let's go underwater and absolutely they

1615
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:50,980
go as they go to the center of the earth

1616
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:52,450
and all the way up through the

1617
01:17:57,420 --> 01:17:55,210
atmosphere well then let's have fun just

1618
01:17:59,310 --> 01:17:57,430
like the people at area 51 don't talk

1619
01:18:01,200 --> 01:17:59,320
about it let's get someone to go in

1620
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:01,210
there let's put out the network all here

1621
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:02,410
and through all the UFO community

1622
01:18:07,980 --> 01:18:05,260
somebody has a lot of money and maybe a

1623
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:07,990
submersible or a robot and they should

1624
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:10,000
just go down and then report to all of

1625
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:11,950
us before anybody knows about it we're

1626
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,140
working on a dino paul alan steve

1627
01:18:20,580 --> 01:18:16,560
ballmer over here I'll be waiting

1628
01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:20,590
Dino have a great night and email Rita

1629
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:22,240
your address and we'll get that out

1630
01:18:26,220 --> 01:18:24,250
there to you Rita so that's for the

1631
01:18:28,710 --> 01:18:26,230
through your regular email yeah yeah

1632
01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:28,720
just just you know what to do it'll all

1633
01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:30,460
come right up by the time I'm enjoying

1634
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:32,470
the conversation tonight always you know

1635
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:33,690
thank you you're welcome

1636
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:36,940
all right that opens up some more phone

1637
01:18:42,780 --> 01:18:40,810
lines and by the way everybody turn off

1638
01:18:47,550 --> 01:18:42,790
your caller ID or we don't pick up that

1639
01:18:50,460 --> 01:18:47,560
call your number must be displayed and

1640
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:50,470
uh yeah so bill let's let's get back to

1641
01:18:57,180 --> 01:18:54,640
a couple of things when it comes to the

1642
01:18:58,980 --> 01:18:57,190
one thing that I thought that Lee

1643
01:19:01,410 --> 01:18:58,990
probably should have done on this

1644
01:19:02,610 --> 01:19:01,420
article and I'll just I'll just put it

1645
01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:02,620
out there now and I'm sure he can

1646
01:19:09,210 --> 01:19:05,380
appreciate this leaves a good guy an

1647
01:19:12,540 --> 01:19:09,220
intelligent guy what he didn't do is he

1648
01:19:14,130 --> 01:19:12,550
used me for quotes for the ufology side

1649
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:14,140
you know what I mean for that side of

1650
01:19:20,670 --> 01:19:16,570
the fence he used me but the article is

1651
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:20,680
about me why would you why not go out to

1652
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:24,130
you know give you a call or Preston

1653
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:27,730
Dennett or you know Steve Murillo you

1654
01:19:32,430 --> 01:19:29,290
know any of these guys that have been

1655
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:32,440
researching up and down the coast for

1656
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:36,250
years I'm certainly not the expert there

1657
01:19:42,990 --> 01:19:39,250
I'm just the I'm the messenger you know

1658
01:19:46,610 --> 01:19:43,000
why why not because if you have the USGS

1659
01:19:51,150 --> 01:19:46,620
and you have an FBI guy and you have

1660
01:19:53,370 --> 01:19:51,160
John Anthony West all all very serious

1661
01:19:55,230 --> 01:19:53,380
guys and people that I'm in

1662
01:19:57,330 --> 01:19:55,240
communication with well except for the

1663
01:19:59,649 --> 01:19:57,340
FBI guy I don't know anybody in the FBI

1664
01:20:02,260 --> 01:19:59,659
I don't want to

1665
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:02,270
but why not have it you know somebody

1666
01:20:05,740 --> 01:20:03,710
from the other side of the fence and

1667
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:05,750
I'll tell you why is there I'll tell you

1668
01:20:10,930 --> 01:20:08,449
why okay because the article is not

1669
01:20:12,669 --> 01:20:10,940
about the formation in Malibu the

1670
01:20:15,939 --> 01:20:12,679
article is about the fact that you

1671
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:15,949
reported the formation in Malibu in turn

1672
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:18,770
that you speculated that it was UFOs it

1673
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:21,290
wasn't about the formation at all if he

1674
01:20:25,090 --> 01:20:22,730
would have done that do you think the

1675
01:20:26,830 --> 01:20:25,100
editors would have a poop udon it to us

1676
01:20:29,620 --> 01:20:26,840
no because the Huffington that's what he

1677
01:20:34,090 --> 01:20:29,630
did do and that's what the Huffington

1678
01:20:37,450 --> 01:20:34,100
Post is all about it's not a it's not so

1679
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:37,460
much about the news it's about the news

1680
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:41,210
as reported so I mean yes there are

1681
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:43,370
original stories yes there's a lot of

1682
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:45,500
stuff in there yes it's it's it's really

1683
01:20:53,290 --> 01:20:48,850
a magazine that takes a liberal bent but

1684
01:20:55,810 --> 01:20:53,300
its focus when it does it's serious

1685
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:55,820
articles is on the media as it reports

1686
01:21:00,820 --> 01:20:58,639
the news it is the prism of reality

1687
01:21:03,010 --> 01:21:00,830
through the news and that's exactly what

1688
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:03,020
the story was it was the prism of

1689
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:06,290
reality it was it was reality that

1690
01:21:13,899 --> 01:21:11,449
people have been sending you maps or

1691
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:13,909
points the maps of Google Earth but it's

1692
01:21:21,129 --> 01:21:17,690
that this was actually reported on a

1693
01:21:24,490 --> 01:21:21,139
radio show interesting and what do you

1694
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:24,500
think you know as the other outlets

1695
01:21:31,209 --> 01:21:26,830
start to pick up the story over the next

1696
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:31,219
few days which they will how do you

1697
01:21:34,899 --> 01:21:32,480
think they'll handle it do you think

1698
01:21:37,330 --> 01:21:34,909
that they would it'll be a joke really

1699
01:21:38,979 --> 01:21:37,340
it'll be it'll be well the guys in the

1700
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:38,989
ten hats again I've found something else

1701
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:42,290
to screen it out right and and and

1702
01:21:47,770 --> 01:21:44,330
that's the other thing you know I'm not

1703
01:21:48,729 --> 01:21:47,780
a tinfoil hat guy right and and and

1704
01:21:53,260 --> 01:21:48,739
neither are you

1705
01:21:56,830 --> 01:21:53,270
well you are sort of it's not ten it's

1706
01:21:58,450 --> 01:21:56,840
felt okay okay but I know you understand

1707
01:22:02,709 --> 01:21:58,460
what I'm saying I'm not one of those guy

1708
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:02,719
I'm not out when I think of tinfoil hat

1709
01:22:07,899 --> 01:22:05,360
and this is what I think of I think of a

1710
01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:07,909
little bit like Van Tassel

1711
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:11,340
you know like George or those

1712
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:13,890
those conventions or whatever you want

1713
01:22:18,860 --> 01:22:15,330
to call it that he used to have out

1714
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:18,870
there in the desert where everybody was

1715
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:21,450
talking about you know taking rides to

1716
01:22:26,060 --> 01:22:23,970
Venus that's a you know if that's a

1717
01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:26,070
little bit different and that's not

1718
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:29,640
although I'm about that to a degree and

1719
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:31,530
they show us certainly about that to a

1720
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:35,250
degree but we are not that to a degree -

1721
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,620
am i making sense and on wire well yeah

1722
01:22:42,170 --> 01:22:40,080
I mean what you're saying is that you're

1723
01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:42,180
not a true believer in this stuff but

1724
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,980
you really like to entertain the

1725
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:45,840
interesting stories and speculate about

1726
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:48,330
them even when the stories may include

1727
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:49,770
what's going on out there at the

1728
01:22:59,690 --> 01:22:51,450
Integris on or the giant rock and

1729
01:23:02,510 --> 01:22:59,700
landers the the and that when the

1730
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:02,520
mainstream of the lamestream media picks

1731
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:07,290
up if they pick up on the story from The

1732
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:10,800
Huffington Post if they do that that

1733
01:23:15,710 --> 01:23:12,330
you're going to be the one you're the

1734
01:23:19,340 --> 01:23:15,720
radio commentator who actually had the

1735
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:19,350
temerity to talk about this in the same

1736
01:23:24,890 --> 01:23:23,670
breath that you mentioned UFOs and that

1737
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:24,900
was the interview you gave two leaps

1738
01:23:30,860 --> 01:23:28,290
it's at least Spiegel and that's what he

1739
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:30,870
ran with it's about the media so yeah it

1740
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:32,610
is story about the media it's gonna be

1741
01:23:36,650 --> 01:23:34,530
well they're over hyping it again

1742
01:23:39,410 --> 01:23:36,660
the guys who basically report all these

1743
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:39,420
UFO stories late night radio internet

1744
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:40,830
radio I mean you could just you know

1745
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:43,440
attach all the descriptors you want to

1746
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:45,930
write but that's literally how the mains

1747
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:49,290
if they treat this at all I mean you and

1748
01:23:55,730 --> 01:23:52,970
I have talked about how they treated I

1749
01:23:58,340 --> 01:23:55,740
wasn't I know you and I didn't talk

1750
01:24:02,000 --> 01:23:58,350
about it was the director of this movie

1751
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:02,010
that we're working up that um it was the

1752
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:04,650
way the media treated the recent release

1753
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:07,920
of the TWA flight 800 documentary by

1754
01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:10,110
stopped by Tom stall cop and Christian

1755
01:24:16,850 --> 01:24:13,500
Borden's and people like that they

1756
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:16,860
dismissed it even though the evidence in

1757
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:20,520
that documentary was compelling they

1758
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:22,890
seized on the one element that and I

1759
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,300
remember

1760
01:24:29,530 --> 01:24:26,400
join king and erin burnett doing this on

1761
01:24:33,049 --> 01:24:29,540
CNN the two of them seized on the one

1762
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:33,059
element and they distorted it out of all

1763
01:24:37,790 --> 01:24:34,710
proportion because they didn't

1764
01:24:39,799 --> 01:24:37,800
understand the purpose of that event in

1765
01:24:41,299 --> 01:24:39,809
the documentary it was a scientific test

1766
01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:41,309
and center wing tax they didn't

1767
01:24:44,959 --> 01:24:43,380
understand why they did it they they

1768
01:24:47,689 --> 01:24:44,969
couldn't figure it out and they couldn't

1769
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:47,699
figure out why the evidence because they

1770
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,880
basically flat-out knew that the one

1771
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:52,320
thing you don't do is raise the

1772
01:24:57,620 --> 01:24:55,260
conspiracy flag for TWA flight 800 right

1773
01:25:00,589 --> 01:24:57,630
just don't do it okay and that's what I

1774
01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:00,599
mean by this filter and that is why and

1775
01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:03,750
they derided the Thomas dog cops of the

1776
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:06,360
world for this and that is why if this

1777
01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:08,730
goes to the mainstream media which I

1778
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:12,630
doubt it will if it does yeah the other

1779
01:25:16,609 --> 01:25:14,610
point is there will be some division in

1780
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:16,619
the fact that well the Coast Guard

1781
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:18,510
Geological Survey says this and a

1782
01:25:22,069 --> 01:25:20,250
scientist says this and somebody else

1783
01:25:24,140 --> 01:25:22,079
says this point it's radio guy you'll do

1784
01:25:26,899 --> 01:25:24,150
anything right right it's all about

1785
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:26,909
clicks right yeah this is fade to black

1786
01:25:30,770 --> 01:25:29,730
on the dark matte matter radio network

1787
01:25:32,930 --> 01:25:30,780
I'm your host Jimmy church we are

1788
01:25:36,140 --> 01:25:32,940
talking to bill burns and we're

1789
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:36,150
discussing the recent Huffington Post

1790
01:25:42,859 --> 01:25:39,840
article that was written by Lee Spiegel

1791
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:42,869
and and again you know I want to you

1792
01:25:49,549 --> 01:25:45,449
know you have to thank huffington post

1793
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:49,559
you know and lee for you know taking

1794
01:25:56,330 --> 01:25:51,690
taking the chance on something like this

1795
01:25:57,589 --> 01:25:56,340
and you know with all of the mainstream

1796
01:26:00,740 --> 01:25:57,599
media that's out there they're looking

1797
01:26:03,740 --> 01:26:00,750
at all of all of the stuff that's going

1798
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,750
around on the web and i'm sure that this

1799
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:06,000
has passed a couple of editors or

1800
01:26:11,780 --> 01:26:07,650
producers desk and through their hands

1801
01:26:14,419 --> 01:26:11,790
and they you know they choose to pass it

1802
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,429
up and with huffington post they didn't

1803
01:26:20,299 --> 01:26:16,159
they didn't pass up the opportunity

1804
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:20,309
right because well go ahead well over at

1805
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:25,290
CNN or fox or MSNBC or yahoo or or

1806
01:26:29,359 --> 01:26:27,090
whoever it bloomberg whatever you want

1807
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:29,369
to talk about even the Wall Street

1808
01:26:35,569 --> 01:26:33,570
Journal they don't have a weird news

1809
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:35,579
page you know what I mean no they don't

1810
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:37,510
have the UFO page

1811
01:26:42,090 --> 01:26:39,010
that's one of the things that Huffington

1812
01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:42,100
Post does they will roll the dice but

1813
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:43,780
this is the other thing you don't have a

1814
01:26:50,820 --> 01:26:47,920
breaking story like this every week a

1815
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:50,830
story like this comes along I had said

1816
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:52,810
this out at the intro to the show I've

1817
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:55,510
said it before you've got in the last

1818
01:27:01,440 --> 01:26:58,690
you know 50 60 years you've got Roswell

1819
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:01,450
you've got Rendlesham forest you've got

1820
01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:04,750
area 51 that's kind of it as far as

1821
01:27:11,220 --> 01:27:07,750
really big but what's the biggest story

1822
01:27:13,410 --> 01:27:11,230
I don't know in this world of UFOs not

1823
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:13,420
Roswell it's not Rendlesham forest

1824
01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:17,170
hit me Betty and boy oh yeah yeah yeah

1825
01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:20,230
yeah of course and the reason is Roswell

1826
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:24,040
Rendlesham forest area 51 again who

1827
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:26,170
cares well and what you know what you

1828
01:27:30,330 --> 01:27:27,850
got to throw Travis in then if you're

1829
01:27:32,430 --> 01:27:30,340
gonna go you gotta so Travis was the

1830
01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:32,440
reason yes Travis Walton as well but the

1831
01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:34,300
reason I'm citing Betty and Barney Hill

1832
01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:39,070
is that they wound up on the cover of

1833
01:27:42,090 --> 01:27:40,360
Look magazine

1834
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:42,100
yes they did they were the poster

1835
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:45,610
children of the reality of UFOs and yes

1836
01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:47,410
Betty Hill for the rest of her life

1837
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:49,540
you know I mean was walk with God we

1838
01:27:54,990 --> 01:27:51,370
would cross on book tours and I'd see

1839
01:27:58,050 --> 01:27:55,000
her carrying the alien head around but

1840
01:28:00,630 --> 01:27:58,060
but when you think about Betty and

1841
01:28:03,150 --> 01:28:00,640
Barney Hill and you think about the

1842
01:28:07,530 --> 01:28:03,160
facts in the case that really nobody

1843
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,540
ever talks about they were to my mind

1844
01:28:13,770 --> 01:28:09,760
the single biggest story because the

1845
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:13,780
Roswell story was a bleep a blip on the

1846
01:28:17,940 --> 01:28:16,270
horizon in 1947 it was there and the

1847
01:28:20,460 --> 01:28:17,950
next day it was gone because it was a

1848
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:20,470
weather balloon and it didn't really and

1849
01:28:25,230 --> 01:28:22,960
78 when Jesse Marcel and Stan Friedman

1850
01:28:27,210 --> 01:28:25,240
began talking so so even though there

1851
01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:27,220
were all these rumors of flying saucers

1852
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:29,380
and stuff in the 1950s largely driven by

1853
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:31,390
the science fiction movies where as what

1854
01:28:36,990 --> 01:28:34,780
was that a major story recently you know

1855
01:28:41,010 --> 01:28:37,000
ever since 78 it's been it's been

1856
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:41,020
researched area 51 again it was Bob

1857
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:42,970
Lazar it was a human being but that

1858
01:28:47,220 --> 01:28:45,490
never meant okay let's look at the

1859
01:28:48,750 --> 01:28:47,230
commonalities here okay let's look at

1860
01:28:50,490 --> 01:28:48,760
the commonalities because you raised a

1861
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:50,500
very interesting point about how stories

1862
01:28:54,030 --> 01:28:51,610
get big

1863
01:28:58,430 --> 01:28:54,040
and the commonalities in all these

1864
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:58,440
stories in in Rendlesham in area 51 in

1865
01:29:04,170 --> 01:29:01,120
that Storybrooke my Bob Lazar

1866
01:29:07,140 --> 01:29:04,180
in Betty and Barney Hill in Roswell it

1867
01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:07,150
was never initially except in the case

1868
01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:10,300
of Roswell and then that's if he never

1869
01:29:15,870 --> 01:29:12,910
officially originally about the UFO the

1870
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:15,880
case of Raja was an air crash and the

1871
01:29:22,260 --> 01:29:19,570
folks at from the city of Roswell Chavez

1872
01:29:24,030 --> 01:29:22,270
County rolled on that crash it was an

1873
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:24,040
air crash with anything else but an air

1874
01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:26,410
crash they rolled on it and that's when

1875
01:29:30,990 --> 01:29:28,870
they discovered the bodies and the

1876
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:31,000
strange craft and the strange material

1877
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:32,890
and the debris field that's when they

1878
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:35,020
discovered it and that's what prompted

1879
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:38,590
Roger Ramey according to walter haut

1880
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:40,890
that's what promised uh-uh

1881
01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:43,450
that's what provoked Roger Ramey to get

1882
01:29:47,730 --> 01:29:45,460
down from the 8th Air Force go to

1883
01:29:50,460 --> 01:29:47,740
Roswell and concoct the cover-up which

1884
01:29:51,900 --> 01:29:50,470
meant sending Jesse Marcel back up to

1885
01:29:54,410 --> 01:29:51,910
Fort Worth and then stabbing him in the

1886
01:29:58,170 --> 01:29:54,420
back and ruining his military career

1887
01:30:02,460 --> 01:29:58,180
that's but it was about an aircraft and

1888
01:30:04,370 --> 01:30:02,470
the only reason that Ramey allowed that

1889
01:30:06,810 --> 01:30:04,380
story because he ordered through

1890
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:06,820
Blanchard Walter had to go to the press

1891
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:09,280
right was that he was going to dismember

1892
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:11,290
that story the next day he knew that in

1893
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:13,930
advance it was about an air crash the

1894
01:30:22,050 --> 01:30:17,110
the the the story of area 51 is about

1895
01:30:25,410 --> 01:30:22,060
Bob Lazar it's about how Bob Lazar got a

1896
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,420
security clearance pulled it's all the

1897
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:27,520
other stuff came right afterwards but it

1898
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:29,050
was Bob Lazar trying to keep his

1899
01:30:33,930 --> 01:30:32,080
marriage together and and taking his

1900
01:30:35,730 --> 01:30:33,940
wife out to the desert to see the thing

1901
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:35,740
and then they took gene Haas out and

1902
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:37,570
then they took George Knapp out and

1903
01:30:47,180 --> 01:30:40,000
Roger and Doug John Lear out it was

1904
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:47,190
about Bob Lazar going back the next time

1905
01:30:52,530 --> 01:30:50,080
with his wife because he was feeling so

1906
01:30:54,660 --> 01:30:52,540
empowered by being able to show his wife

1907
01:30:57,150 --> 01:30:54,670
exactly what he was doing and that

1908
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:57,160
resulted in the whole story Bob Lazar

1909
01:31:02,460 --> 01:30:59,920
was never out there to disclose the

1910
01:31:04,890 --> 01:31:02,470
truth about UFOs or the falsity by UFOs

1911
01:31:05,379 --> 01:31:04,900
or UFOs in general he was out to impress

1912
01:31:08,740 --> 01:31:05,389
us why

1913
01:31:12,189 --> 01:31:08,750
Betty and Barney Hill nothing they had

1914
01:31:15,580 --> 01:31:12,199
no intent to go public with their story

1915
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:15,590
they told the story separately to

1916
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:18,530
Benjamin Simon their psychiatrist under

1917
01:31:23,020 --> 01:31:21,050
hypnotic regression there was this young

1918
01:31:24,820 --> 01:31:23,030
woman or a young woman I'm calling her

1919
01:31:26,859 --> 01:31:24,830
young she was de três she was

1920
01:31:30,010 --> 01:31:26,869
transcribing the tapes to Benjamin Simon

1921
01:31:31,180 --> 01:31:30,020
made the hill's didn't even know what

1922
01:31:33,370 --> 01:31:31,190
they said to Simon

1923
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:33,380
remember they Betty Hill remembered

1924
01:31:40,510 --> 01:31:37,520
everything until she saw the creatures

1925
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:40,520
grab Barney and grab her and push her up

1926
01:31:44,859 --> 01:31:42,530
the ramp to this craft and her memory

1927
01:31:46,930 --> 01:31:44,869
stop and it's only under repression that

1928
01:31:50,590 --> 01:31:46,940
those memories came back they never

1929
01:31:53,580 --> 01:31:50,600
intended to tell this story to the

1930
01:31:55,410 --> 01:31:53,590
mass-market it was only when this

1931
01:31:58,030 --> 01:31:55,420
transcriber

1932
01:32:00,100 --> 01:31:58,040
released her transcripts of the tapes

1933
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:00,110
did to this reporter who wrote for a

1934
01:32:05,979 --> 01:32:03,770
Boston travel magazine that immediately

1935
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:05,989
caught fire and that's what wound him up

1936
01:32:11,979 --> 01:32:08,449
on the book deal with with with Fowler

1937
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:11,989
and that's what wound him up on the

1938
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:14,210
cover of Look magazine and nobody was

1939
01:32:17,410 --> 01:32:15,679
out to disclose it Johnny Hill kovitch

1940
01:32:20,740 --> 01:32:17,420
was doing an article about airport

1941
01:32:23,770 --> 01:32:20,750
safety and travel Rendlesham forest only

1942
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:23,780
had to do it only came back when the

1943
01:32:28,959 --> 01:32:26,320
people who encountered that experience

1944
01:32:29,370 --> 01:32:28,969
were reporting what the Air Force did to

1945
01:32:32,250 --> 01:32:29,380
them

1946
01:32:35,530 --> 01:32:32,260
yeah and and with each one of those

1947
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:35,540
stories and as seminal as each one is

1948
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:40,730
but with each one it was something that

1949
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:45,130
was a major breakthrough a moment in

1950
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:48,290
ufology and what is going down and I

1951
01:32:54,220 --> 01:32:51,650
look and when we look back from from

1952
01:32:56,830 --> 01:32:54,230
today let's go back 25 30 years so

1953
01:32:59,080 --> 01:32:56,840
you've got you've got Rendlesham that

1954
01:33:02,050 --> 01:32:59,090
was 1980 didn't break until a couple of

1955
01:33:05,229 --> 01:33:02,060
years later you've got Bob Lazar which

1956
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:05,239
that went down in in the early 90s but

1957
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:08,090
now we're sitting in 2014 and between

1958
01:33:13,570 --> 01:33:11,330
then and now there really hasn't been

1959
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:13,580
you know we've just been plotting along

1960
01:33:17,850 --> 01:33:14,570
plotting along

1961
01:33:20,430 --> 01:33:17,860
well there was O'Hare Airport 2017

1962
01:33:24,030 --> 01:33:20,440
and and and bellows Stephenville and

1963
01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:24,040
Stephenville - yeah and but now we have

1964
01:33:31,860 --> 01:33:28,920
this and it is it is something this is

1965
01:33:35,070 --> 01:33:31,870
real this is sitting right off of the

1966
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,080
coast it's right here and it's real this

1967
01:33:41,550 --> 01:33:37,600
isn't anything what what it is doesn't

1968
01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:41,560
matter the point is it is real and it

1969
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:43,870
needs to be investigated and and that's

1970
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:46,480
it it is a really really big deal I

1971
01:33:50,580 --> 01:33:48,850
think all of us you everybody that's

1972
01:33:53,190 --> 01:33:50,590
listening everybody that's been involved

1973
01:33:56,370 --> 01:33:53,200
of the everybody that has watched the

1974
01:33:58,350 --> 01:33:56,380
videos the video that third phase of

1975
01:34:01,470 --> 01:33:58,360
Moon did is probably up to a quarter of

1976
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:01,480
a million views who and and I don't know

1977
01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:03,760
what the views are on on our YouTube

1978
01:34:10,170 --> 01:34:06,670
channel but these are tens of thousands

1979
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:10,180
on our channel alone that that have

1980
01:34:14,130 --> 01:34:11,920
never heard about this story before so

1981
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:14,140
now it is out and now it just needs to

1982
01:34:19,230 --> 01:34:15,970
go to the next level I think everybody's

1983
01:34:23,370 --> 01:34:19,240
gonna remember this well I will see I

1984
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:23,380
mean it depends stories generally have

1985
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:27,280
traction if they deal with issues that

1986
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:29,170
people consider personal issues and

1987
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:32,370
that's again part of the problem with

1988
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:35,410
the media and UFOs is that these are not

1989
01:34:39,690 --> 01:34:37,840
personal issues to people I mean Betty

1990
01:34:41,670 --> 01:34:39,700
and Barney Hill personal issue Travis

1991
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:41,680
Walton personal issue his friends were

1992
01:34:48,410 --> 01:34:44,770
accused of murder right right a personal

1993
01:34:51,210 --> 01:34:48,420
issue the good of the security team from

1994
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:51,220
RAF Bentwaters yeah it's a personal

1995
01:34:56,100 --> 01:34:54,490
issue they were badly mistreated by the

1996
01:34:58,710 --> 01:34:56,110
Air Force Office of Special

1997
01:35:02,460 --> 01:34:58,720
Investigations and and possibly by the

1998
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:02,470
NSA Roswell look at Jesse Marcel's

1999
01:35:10,380 --> 01:35:06,370
career yeah I mean so so when you look

2000
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:10,390
at some of these cases that get into the

2001
01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:12,730
media there were real human beings

2002
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:14,980
involved in the case that's where the

2003
01:35:19,860 --> 01:35:18,130
Phoenix lights story was only marginally

2004
01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:19,870
me that the real human beings involved

2005
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:21,430
in the case not to mention the witnesses

2006
01:35:25,950 --> 01:35:24,250
like Lemke ty and terri and people like

2007
01:35:27,180 --> 01:35:25,960
that I'm talking about people like

2008
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:27,190
Frances Barwood

2009
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:28,960
who his political career was destroyed

2010
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:31,570
by it v Symington who publicly

2011
01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:35,050
to admit that he deliberately lied he

2012
01:35:38,940 --> 01:35:37,270
deliberately made fun of the whole thing

2013
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:38,950
when all the whole time he saw the

2014
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:41,440
object himself at 8:30 from his own

2015
01:35:47,780 --> 01:35:44,080
backyard just literally a hundred feet

2016
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:47,790
above his head right so I mean when you

2017
01:35:53,010 --> 01:35:50,530
so you've got personal stories there but

2018
01:35:56,670 --> 01:35:53,020
other real big stories are stories where

2019
01:35:59,190 --> 01:35:56,680
human beings are affected directly I

2020
01:36:01,230 --> 01:35:59,200
mean look at the popularity of all of

2021
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:01,240
the bubble of all the Budd Hopkins

2022
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:03,610
stories the Brooklyn Bridge sightings

2023
01:36:09,450 --> 01:36:06,670
intruders all of those stories whether

2024
01:36:11,460 --> 01:36:09,460
you believe them or not they were about

2025
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:11,470
people right

2026
01:36:17,310 --> 01:36:14,560
what was her what was a Linda Linda

2027
01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:17,320
Cortile yeah yeah yeah not her real name

2028
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:20,380
right what was her real last name kam

2029
01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:22,840
pop pop pop pop pop Elan oh I can't

2030
01:36:25,470 --> 01:36:25,030
remember but yeah you're right about

2031
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:25,480
that

2032
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:27,850
all personal personal stuff so just

2033
01:36:35,220 --> 01:36:31,330
because that this is potentially some

2034
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:35,230
historic megalithic structure that could

2035
01:36:40,410 --> 01:36:37,330
be tens of thousands of years old or a

2036
01:36:43,820 --> 01:36:40,420
hundred years old because we didn't die

2037
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:48,410
that well the trick is to get someone

2038
01:36:54,420 --> 01:36:52,930
with enough financial resources to pay

2039
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:54,430
for a robotic sub wing because you're

2040
01:36:58,530 --> 01:36:56,110
not going down in one of our submarines

2041
01:37:00,710 --> 01:36:58,540
I mean a man submarine going down there

2042
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:00,720
right off a naval base at Point Dume

2043
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:03,400
ain't gonna happen ain't gonna happen

2044
01:37:08,730 --> 01:37:05,830
so yeah you need one of those robotic

2045
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:08,740
submarines with an awful lot of light

2046
01:37:15,390 --> 01:37:11,050
because as you and I both know it is

2047
01:37:17,730 --> 01:37:15,400
2,000 feet down yeah yeah mm well 1,500

2048
01:37:19,530 --> 01:37:17,740
feet to the top of the platform right

2049
01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:19,540
well you just you just not got to get

2050
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:21,880
any light down there right so so you're

2051
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,010
gonna need a whole powerful it'll be

2052
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:26,320
like a moon base set up like that at the

2053
01:37:34,260 --> 01:37:31,210
bottom of it at that seafloor and if it

2054
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:34,270
turns out as I I speculate that there

2055
01:37:40,980 --> 01:37:37,450
are these are actual tunnels for what

2056
01:37:44,490 --> 01:37:40,990
purpose I can only get I speculate that

2057
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:44,500
it's our own submarines but that

2058
01:37:50,220 --> 01:37:47,890
I mean if that's the case Dick Cheney

2059
01:37:53,490 --> 01:37:50,230
had the best line when talking about

2060
01:37:56,610 --> 01:37:53,500
this he said if I had been so briefed on

2061
01:37:58,170 --> 01:37:56,620
UFOs if I had been so briefed it would

2062
01:38:00,060 --> 01:37:58,180
have been classified and if it's class

2063
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,070
but I can't talk about it with you right

2064
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:02,320
all right and that's and that's really

2065
01:38:08,100 --> 01:38:03,730
what you're looking at with this if

2066
01:38:09,630 --> 01:38:08,110
these are artificial to allow entry they

2067
01:38:10,590 --> 01:38:09,640
would be classified if they're

2068
01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:10,600
classified

2069
01:38:15,390 --> 01:38:12,670
nobody's gonna to tell you about them

2070
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:15,400
except to say you know youyou be your

2071
01:38:22,380 --> 01:38:18,880
own judge on Google Earth you've sailed

2072
01:38:25,500 --> 01:38:22,390
up and down the coast yeah you you know

2073
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:25,510
I haven't which is weird I've spent a

2074
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:27,250
lot of time on sailboats but I haven't

2075
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:31,330
actually gone I've only done very very

2076
01:38:36,030 --> 01:38:33,310
limited boating you know in Marina del

2077
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:36,040
Rey and so forth but you've been up and

2078
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:38,530
down the coast right there what what are

2079
01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:40,510
the restrictions with the Navy base

2080
01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:42,280
being right there you've got the Marine

2081
01:38:47,790 --> 01:38:45,430
base also there right well you've got

2082
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,800
the big warning then you're in a missile

2083
01:38:53,130 --> 01:38:50,560
test range so that's the big warning and

2084
01:38:58,580 --> 01:38:53,140
that there is artillery shelling out

2085
01:39:02,370 --> 01:38:58,590
there okay and that these are called

2086
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:02,380
military operations areas or more words

2087
01:39:08,010 --> 01:39:04,690
when military of a MOS military

2088
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:08,020
operations areas and when those things

2089
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:11,050
get hot they are completely restricted

2090
01:39:18,689 --> 01:39:16,719
how far out runs pretty far out yeah and

2091
01:39:21,330 --> 01:39:18,699
if they have patrol boats out there I'm

2092
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:21,340
assuming when they are going out their

2093
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:24,400
patrol bars out there and update the the

2094
01:39:29,729 --> 01:39:27,610
sensors and we know this from when we

2095
01:39:33,570 --> 01:39:29,739
were at Andros Island exploring that

2096
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:33,580
base or attack this dispenser mechanism

2097
01:39:38,580 --> 01:39:36,719
at area 51 the sensor mechanism or

2098
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:38,590
mechanisms are extraordinarily

2099
01:39:44,970 --> 01:39:42,930
sophisticated and they will spot you

2100
01:39:48,060 --> 01:39:44,980
like you're not going to get dressed up

2101
01:39:49,740 --> 01:39:48,070
in in in dark costumes like ninjas paint

2102
01:39:51,810 --> 01:39:49,750
your face black and try and get to that

2103
01:39:56,130 --> 01:39:51,820
place at night there are motion sensors

2104
01:39:57,490 --> 01:39:56,140
all over the place and it is they have

2105
01:39:59,890 --> 01:39:57,500
satellites

2106
01:40:04,540 --> 01:39:59,900
and you will be spotted and dare you

2107
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:04,550
speak on a radio that will be heard so

2108
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:06,850
the point that I'm trying to make is

2109
01:40:12,340 --> 01:40:09,170
this is something that you're not going

2110
01:40:14,710 --> 01:40:12,350
to be able just to cozy up to and take a

2111
01:40:16,990 --> 01:40:14,720
peek inside poke inside each little hole

2112
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,000
and see what's in there I mean that

2113
01:40:22,210 --> 01:40:19,280
place is very well guarded if it's what

2114
01:40:26,050 --> 01:40:22,220
I think it is right well there are when

2115
01:40:30,580 --> 01:40:26,060
you look on a certain aspects of Google

2116
01:40:33,930 --> 01:40:30,590
Earth in that section there are areas

2117
01:40:38,970 --> 01:40:33,940
that say no swimming no diving right and

2118
01:40:43,300 --> 01:40:38,980
so I can't remember it's a good chunk of

2119
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:43,310
PCH where the red line goes right I mean

2120
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:46,730
why that's along the coast it's not six

2121
01:40:50,740 --> 01:40:48,290
and a half miles out why would they do

2122
01:40:53,380 --> 01:40:50,750
that I don't understand why they would

2123
01:40:57,940 --> 01:40:53,390
limit its about it goes out about a mile

2124
01:41:02,440 --> 01:40:57,950
out and it's probably six miles in

2125
01:41:04,780 --> 01:41:02,450
between McGoo and doom that that part of

2126
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:04,790
the beach is completely restricted now

2127
01:41:10,290 --> 01:41:07,610
we know north of that and south of that

2128
01:41:12,910 --> 01:41:10,300
it's some of the best surfing water

2129
01:41:14,440 --> 01:41:12,920
anywhere in the world and then all they

2130
01:41:14,890 --> 01:41:14,450
do is surf right there why would they do

2131
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:14,900
that

2132
01:41:21,970 --> 01:41:17,450
right in front because it's still south

2133
01:41:25,530 --> 01:41:21,980
of at south of Magoo and Hueneme

2134
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:25,540
why would they limit it it's in between

2135
01:41:31,570 --> 01:41:28,970
the bays are the the anomaly that we're

2136
01:41:34,510 --> 01:41:31,580
talking about in the beach that frontage

2137
01:41:37,390 --> 01:41:34,520
Beach right there right and as you drive

2138
01:41:39,940 --> 01:41:37,400
north on PCH directing Jets yeah right

2139
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:39,950
well the Martha there's a whole bunch

2140
01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:42,530
reasons one it's a military area so yeah

2141
01:41:46,660 --> 01:41:44,030
you want to go sit on the beach and I've

2142
01:41:50,650 --> 01:41:46,670
driven that stretch like more than I

2143
01:41:53,170 --> 01:41:50,660
want to remember and you could barbecue

2144
01:41:55,810 --> 01:41:53,180
there you'll see people out there

2145
01:42:00,100 --> 01:41:55,820
getting Sun but no that area of the

2146
01:42:02,530 --> 01:42:00,110
water is is restricted and no swimming

2147
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:02,540
no diving it's absolutely true just got

2148
01:42:07,740 --> 01:42:04,490
this email and I'm gonna bang this past

2149
01:42:10,420 --> 01:42:07,750
you really quick the meaning of area 51

2150
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:10,430
and it says well on the subject I have

2151
01:42:14,740 --> 01:42:10,880
heard

2152
01:42:18,879 --> 01:42:14,750
at area 51 the five stands for the fifth

2153
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:18,889
letter e and then the one standing for

2154
01:42:24,100 --> 01:42:22,159
one meaning extraterrestrial number one

2155
01:42:25,450 --> 01:42:24,110
do you know anything about this but yeah

2156
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:25,460
that's absolutely not true

2157
01:42:32,620 --> 01:42:29,600
the the area 51 prints well it was never

2158
01:42:33,939 --> 01:42:32,630
called area 51 it was called Nellis Air

2159
01:42:37,899 --> 01:42:33,949
Force Base okay

2160
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:37,909
that's 1/2 the base wasn't founded in

2161
01:42:45,879 --> 01:42:40,850
1951 that was in the ante Jacobson book

2162
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:45,889
wrong it was 53 to 55 more like 55 so

2163
01:42:53,620 --> 01:42:50,090
that's that the 51 comes from the Nevada

2164
01:42:58,270 --> 01:42:53,630
tax map going all the way back to the

2165
01:43:01,689 --> 01:42:58,280
19th century that parcel was designated

2166
01:43:05,050 --> 01:43:01,699
number one on the tax was 51 on the tax

2167
01:43:07,629 --> 01:43:05,060
map because what happened was as the

2168
01:43:11,020 --> 01:43:07,639
United States began to expand westward

2169
01:43:16,830 --> 01:43:11,030
the federal government began to organize

2170
01:43:20,410 --> 01:43:16,840
all the western states as as as as

2171
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:20,420
rectangular tax maps they began to

2172
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,090
parcel out these things in area 51

2173
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:25,360
although it's not a perfect rectangle

2174
01:43:33,010 --> 01:43:30,110
sits in that parcel of area 51 on the

2175
01:43:37,110 --> 01:43:33,020
tax map I got it I got it the name got a

2176
01:43:40,660 --> 01:43:37,120
bunch of tweets coming in and one email

2177
01:43:43,570 --> 01:43:40,670
they cannot find a copy of the 21st

2178
01:43:45,700 --> 01:43:43,580
century of America what where can they

2179
01:43:48,580 --> 01:43:45,710
find a copy of that go to Amazon if

2180
01:43:53,860 --> 01:43:48,590
they're not fighting with Macmillan go

2181
01:44:03,700 --> 01:43:53,870
to Amazon and just type in the haunting

2182
01:44:08,260 --> 01:44:03,710
of 21st - 1 st century America by Joel

2183
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:08,270
ma rtin and my name bir nes and you'll

2184
01:44:14,379 --> 01:44:11,330
you'll it'll come right up so 21st being

2185
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:14,389
21 st is the way to do it right okay I'm

2186
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:16,250
looking at some of these tweets and also

2187
01:44:21,340 --> 01:44:18,650
the email yet 21st is spelled out so

2188
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:21,350
don't spell it out there you go

2189
01:44:25,509 --> 01:44:23,810
you'll you'll find it okay so thank you

2190
01:44:30,399 --> 01:44:25,519
for doing that bill

2191
01:44:32,020 --> 01:44:30,409
now in all of your you have so much

2192
01:44:33,609 --> 01:44:32,030
experience with the media on every

2193
01:44:37,540 --> 01:44:33,619
different front you you know if you got

2194
01:44:41,319 --> 01:44:37,550
television you've got radio movies books

2195
01:44:46,919 --> 01:44:41,329
publishing magazines you've you've done

2196
01:44:50,410 --> 01:44:46,929
it all is is there are there rules for

2197
01:44:53,379 --> 01:44:50,420
suppression and how did you about you

2198
01:44:56,259 --> 01:44:53,389
know about stories and in this and what

2199
01:45:01,000 --> 01:44:56,269
I mean what what I mean by that is is it

2200
01:45:02,350 --> 01:45:01,010
something that isn't isn't in print you

2201
01:45:04,989 --> 01:45:02,360
know you're not checking off we're

2202
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:04,999
signing off on certain rules but is

2203
01:45:09,699 --> 01:45:08,239
there a general because there's not

2204
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:09,709
supposed to be censorship here in

2205
01:45:13,660 --> 01:45:11,570
America oh this censorship all over the

2206
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:13,670
place so so I mean you take that out of

2207
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:16,010
here out of the hopper immediately I

2208
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:18,050
mean of course this censorship and of

2209
01:45:23,339 --> 01:45:19,610
course well first of all the standard

2210
01:45:29,979 --> 01:45:23,349
censorship standard across the board is

2211
01:45:32,739 --> 01:45:29,989
pornography libel and defamation and and

2212
01:45:35,770 --> 01:45:32,749
those and those are the standard I mean

2213
01:45:40,509 --> 01:45:35,780
if you are going to even though there is

2214
01:45:42,819 --> 01:45:40,519
in case of libel and defamation it's a

2215
01:45:44,859 --> 01:45:42,829
higher standard of proof for an for a

2216
01:45:46,810 --> 01:45:44,869
newspaper or well for any news

2217
01:45:51,819 --> 01:45:46,820
organization it's the New York Times V

2218
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:51,829
Sullivan case where the person claiming

2219
01:45:58,739 --> 01:45:55,010
alleging defamation slander libel where

2220
01:46:04,060 --> 01:45:58,749
the person alleging that immediately the

2221
01:46:07,899 --> 01:46:04,070
the media has an exemption from

2222
01:46:11,830 --> 01:46:07,909
liability in that instance if and only

2223
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:11,840
if the media's pursuit of that story or

2224
01:46:17,679 --> 01:46:14,090
the media's publication of that story

2225
01:46:19,779 --> 01:46:17,689
was absent malice so in other words they

2226
01:46:22,509 --> 01:46:19,789
could not have been deliberately trying

2227
01:46:26,350 --> 01:46:22,519
to hurt somebody nor could they have

2228
01:46:28,989 --> 01:46:26,360
been recklessly indifferent to the truth

2229
01:46:31,509 --> 01:46:28,999
of the matter either one constitutes

2230
01:46:36,429 --> 01:46:31,519
malice but if it's without malice and

2231
01:46:38,350 --> 01:46:36,439
the story's wrong incorrect then that

2232
01:46:41,530 --> 01:46:38,360
news organization is

2233
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:41,540
exempt from liability especially if it

2234
01:46:46,420 --> 01:46:44,330
corrects itself and some courts ordered

2235
01:46:47,950 --> 01:46:46,430
them to correct themselves to correct

2236
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:47,960
the story and one of the most famous

2237
01:46:53,740 --> 01:46:50,960
ones is is is is Matt drudges story

2238
01:46:56,620 --> 01:46:53,750
about one of Bill Clinton supporters I

2239
01:47:00,400 --> 01:46:56,630
forget who he was where he published

2240
01:47:02,590 --> 01:47:00,410
something it was flat-out untrue and the

2241
01:47:05,020 --> 01:47:02,600
next day he retracted the story and said

2242
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:05,030
it was untrue and that person sued

2243
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:07,970
Drudge and the court throughout the

2244
01:47:13,660 --> 01:47:11,090
lawsuit basically retracted it and you

2245
01:47:17,650 --> 01:47:13,670
know he's just an online blogger guys so

2246
01:47:20,770 --> 01:47:17,660
no no lawsuit and I was I was surprised

2247
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:20,780
that not the case law students study in

2248
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:23,690
law school dealing with the ethics and

2249
01:47:28,690 --> 01:47:26,090
the legalities of journalism so so again

2250
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:28,700
that so that's one standard censorship

2251
01:47:35,950 --> 01:47:33,170
we all agree too and the other one but

2252
01:47:38,410 --> 01:47:35,960
then there are the unspoken censorships

2253
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:38,420
the one like you don't do UFOs they're

2254
01:47:44,530 --> 01:47:41,810
not news UFOs are not news they are

2255
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:44,540
weird they may be human interest if

2256
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:46,250
you've got some guy in a tin hat with

2257
01:47:49,750 --> 01:47:47,810
wings running up and down the street in

2258
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:49,760
a poster saying they're here Run For

2259
01:47:56,260 --> 01:47:54,770
Your Lives I saw them um well that would

2260
01:47:57,670 --> 01:47:56,270
go in human interest that would go in

2261
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:57,680
like weird stuff but it would certainly

2262
01:48:02,410 --> 01:48:00,560
would not go in news it would not go in

2263
01:48:03,820 --> 01:48:02,420
news unless the person stopped traffic

2264
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:03,830
and caused a massive accident on the

2265
01:48:10,270 --> 01:48:06,080
highway now it's news when you were at

2266
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:10,280
UFO magazine you are breaking stories

2267
01:48:14,740 --> 01:48:12,110
all the time you've got information

2268
01:48:16,900 --> 01:48:14,750
coming in some of it greats you know

2269
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:16,910
photographic evidence I'm sure you had

2270
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:19,310
videos being mailed to you all the time

2271
01:48:25,330 --> 01:48:23,360
were you ever contacted by mainstream

2272
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:25,340
media because of something that you

2273
01:48:28,810 --> 01:48:27,050
published and they wanted more

2274
01:48:31,090 --> 01:48:28,820
information on the story did that ever

2275
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:31,100
happen yeah it happened a few times I

2276
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:34,370
mean one with CNN because they wanted in

2277
01:48:42,220 --> 01:48:36,110
for more information about Philip Corso

2278
01:48:45,310 --> 01:48:42,230
and that happened immediately it's but

2279
01:48:47,500 --> 01:48:45,320
the but but to your point where

2280
01:48:50,410 --> 01:48:47,510
mainstream media has contacted me the

2281
01:48:52,209 --> 01:48:50,420
most was in mainstream stories I mean

2282
01:48:55,239 --> 01:48:52,219
when I published the

2283
01:48:56,890 --> 01:48:55,249
Jay Simpson book with with globe write

2284
01:48:59,620 --> 01:48:56,900
the tabloid newspaper when I published

2285
01:49:02,529 --> 01:48:59,630
it with them and I'd edit that when I

2286
01:49:05,020 --> 01:49:02,539
did that I mean I was on everything from

2287
01:49:06,879 --> 01:49:05,030
a hard copy to Hollywood tonight because

2288
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:06,889
I was living in California at a time all

2289
01:49:09,790 --> 01:49:08,690
over the plates because that was news

2290
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:09,800
right

2291
01:49:17,770 --> 01:49:14,090
UFOs really weren't even even even to

2292
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:17,780
Phil Corso book which which only made

2293
01:49:24,189 --> 01:49:20,719
which which only made the bestseller

2294
01:49:25,959 --> 01:49:24,199
list because of this whole flap I mean

2295
01:49:28,959 --> 01:49:25,969
we were no we weren't on art bell we

2296
01:49:30,819 --> 01:49:28,969
were on coast to coast and we did very

2297
01:49:34,689 --> 01:49:30,829
well we were on the bestseller list of

2298
01:49:37,060 --> 01:49:34,699
following week and but it was also the

2299
01:49:39,279 --> 01:49:37,070
fact that on the cover of the first two

2300
01:49:42,969 --> 01:49:39,289
printings of the book with Strom

2301
01:49:45,609 --> 01:49:42,979
Thurmond's introduction right right

2302
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:45,619
basically affirming that the United

2303
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,210
States won the Cold War because of our

2304
01:49:52,359 --> 01:49:49,280
relationship with UFOs that crashed at

2305
01:49:54,669 --> 01:49:52,369
Roswell right and and they couldn't

2306
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:54,679
print that book fast enough well but

2307
01:50:00,850 --> 01:49:58,960
okay putting philip corso aside I'm

2308
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,860
asking more of a general question

2309
01:50:07,989 --> 01:50:02,960
because every month you guys published

2310
01:50:09,580 --> 01:50:07,999
and there was always pictures of

2311
01:50:10,989 --> 01:50:09,590
something and there was always an

2312
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:10,999
article about something that was seen

2313
01:50:13,719 --> 01:50:13,010
somewhere and that's what I'm referring

2314
01:50:16,450 --> 01:50:13,729
to

2315
01:50:19,870 --> 01:50:16,460
yeah no absolutely not no no mainstream

2316
01:50:22,419 --> 01:50:19,880
did until UFO wonders when UFO hundreds

2317
01:50:24,459 --> 01:50:22,429
was on the air yes well we're all over

2318
01:50:27,790 --> 01:50:24,469
the industry media right but as far as

2319
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:27,800
anything else they just they didn't

2320
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:29,449
can't relate and and back to my point

2321
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:32,570
which is a very important one in order

2322
01:50:38,020 --> 01:50:35,840
to get these stories out you can't go to

2323
01:50:40,029 --> 01:50:38,030
mainstream media you just want to do it

2324
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:40,039
you can exactly but they're not gonna

2325
01:50:46,839 --> 01:50:43,489
look at it even if you had the best

2326
01:50:49,810 --> 01:50:46,849
photograph real photograph and you know

2327
01:50:51,729 --> 01:50:49,820
you've seen them Rex Heflin portrait

2328
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:51,739
McMinnville those things you're um

2329
01:50:55,239 --> 01:50:53,690
unless you have the best photograph in

2330
01:50:58,180 --> 01:50:55,249
the world at which point they will then

2331
01:50:59,529 --> 01:50:58,190
hire this team of debunkers to debunk

2332
01:51:01,779 --> 01:50:59,539
you to scream that it's been

2333
01:51:04,839 --> 01:51:01,789
photoshopped we can see the piano wire

2334
01:51:05,980 --> 01:51:04,849
in there the metrics doesn't don't make

2335
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:05,990
any sense

2336
01:51:10,570 --> 01:51:08,570
so yeah there will be I mean it doesn't

2337
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:10,580
matter they will not cover you you are

2338
01:51:16,930 --> 01:51:15,770
outside of the Overton Window and even

2339
01:51:20,020 --> 01:51:16,940
when presidents

2340
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:20,030
now when you say disclosure I will tell

2341
01:51:28,300 --> 01:51:23,930
you Harry Truman Dwight Eisenhower's

2342
01:51:30,420 --> 01:51:28,310
meeting at at Edwards Air Force Base in

2343
01:51:35,110 --> 01:51:30,430
Fork

2344
01:51:38,140 --> 01:51:35,120
but Harry Truman Richard Nixon and

2345
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:38,150
Jackie Gleason john f kennedy's memos

2346
01:51:47,380 --> 01:51:42,410
about ufos jerry ford's Jerry Ford's

2347
01:51:50,290 --> 01:51:47,390
President Ford's own demand in a letter

2348
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:50,300
to Mendel rivers demanding house

2349
01:51:55,900 --> 01:51:52,160
hearings House Science Committee

2350
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:55,910
hearings on UFOs and they held them okay

2351
01:52:03,220 --> 01:51:58,960
Jimmy Carter's reported UFO sighting two

2352
01:52:05,980 --> 01:52:03,230
over in Georgia Ronald Reagan's two UFO

2353
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:05,990
sightings one of which was exactly over

2354
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:08,810
the area you just brought up Point Dume

2355
01:52:15,090 --> 01:52:12,080
that beach south of Point Dume Ronald

2356
01:52:18,340 --> 01:52:15,100
Reagan and Nancy Reagan driving down PCH

2357
01:52:20,380 --> 01:52:18,350
for for birthday party was William

2358
01:52:22,780 --> 01:52:20,390
Holden's birthday party Bill Holden the

2359
01:52:25,870 --> 01:52:22,790
actor at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel I

2360
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:25,880
think and there they both told the story

2361
01:52:30,970 --> 01:52:28,010
of this huge UFO that went out over the

2362
01:52:34,300 --> 01:52:30,980
over PCH to that very beach area and

2363
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:34,310
dropped into the water Ronald Reagan

2364
01:52:39,250 --> 01:52:36,560
nothing nothing in the media nobody

2365
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:39,260
cared right and Ronald Reagan reported

2366
01:52:44,440 --> 01:52:42,320
his first media a UFO sighting directly

2367
01:52:46,510 --> 01:52:44,450
to the bureau chief the sacramento

2368
01:52:50,440 --> 01:52:46,520
bureau chief of the wall street journal

2369
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:50,450
and and and nobody will and this is

2370
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:52,490
intentional it's not negligence it's

2371
01:52:57,420 --> 01:52:55,130
intentional nobody will tie in right and

2372
01:53:01,660 --> 01:52:57,430
i'll tell you how i know that okay

2373
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:01,670
nobody will tie in ronald reagan's UFO

2374
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:05,810
sightings to his statement that what if

2375
01:53:10,090 --> 01:53:07,760
aliens attacked us wouldn't our petty

2376
01:53:14,610 --> 01:53:10,100
differences be very small his statement

2377
01:53:19,149 --> 01:53:14,620
at the UN now here was my test of that

2378
01:53:22,949 --> 01:53:19,159
very thing go Rachel Maddow was

2379
01:53:26,799 --> 01:53:22,959
was convulse with laughter as she

2380
01:53:29,049 --> 01:53:26,809
reported of the Ronald Reagan story of

2381
01:53:31,449 --> 01:53:29,059
what he said at the UN and what he said

2382
01:53:33,339 --> 01:53:31,459
to Gorbachev hahahaha look at that story

2383
01:53:38,379 --> 01:53:33,349
that's a riot that Reagan said that I

2384
01:53:40,419 --> 01:53:38,389
can't believe it wrote to her describing

2385
01:53:41,890 --> 01:53:40,429
in detail Ronald Reagan's two UFO

2386
01:53:45,250 --> 01:53:41,900
sightings and the fact that they were

2387
01:53:47,620 --> 01:53:45,260
confirmed one by a reporter confirmed

2388
01:53:50,739 --> 01:53:47,630
they were attested to by a reporter

2389
01:53:53,620 --> 01:53:50,749
doing The Wall Street Journal and by

2390
01:53:56,819 --> 01:53:53,630
Lucille Ball and I said so you could

2391
01:54:00,580 --> 01:53:56,829
quote Ronald Reagan crazy but he had two

2392
01:54:07,739 --> 01:54:00,590
documented UFO sightings that he talked

2393
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:07,749
about not a response with this article

2394
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:12,320
when we first when we first reported it

2395
01:54:23,169 --> 01:54:18,800
it didn't have any problems going on to

2396
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:23,179
40 50 60 70 80 90 100 websites almost

2397
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:26,090
overnight there was no issues with that

2398
01:54:31,029 --> 01:54:29,090
there was no issues with it showing up

2399
01:54:32,859 --> 01:54:31,039
I'm pretty you know pretty large

2400
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:32,869
websites on the forms getting the

2401
01:54:38,799 --> 01:54:35,110
discussion out whether I was a crackpot

2402
01:54:41,319 --> 01:54:38,809
you know and full of it and Dale and and

2403
01:54:47,169 --> 01:54:41,329
Maxwell or not that has nothing to do

2404
01:54:49,839 --> 01:54:47,179
with it the point is the the the

2405
01:54:53,319 --> 01:54:49,849
conversation was free people wanted to

2406
01:54:54,909 --> 01:54:53,329
talk about it it was free forum websites

2407
01:54:56,830 --> 01:54:54,919
didn't have issues putting it out there

2408
01:55:00,399 --> 01:54:56,840
because it was interesting it was a good

2409
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:00,409
story and it took off and mainstream

2410
01:55:07,359 --> 01:55:05,090
media just you know and in anyway wasn't

2411
01:55:12,609 --> 01:55:07,369
interested in it until huffington post

2412
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:12,619
and i and i just don't understand why is

2413
01:55:18,029 --> 01:55:15,280
because different media organizations

2414
01:55:21,339 --> 01:55:18,039
sniff the trail of other media

2415
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:21,349
organizations to find stories so it is

2416
01:55:30,879 --> 01:55:26,320
now acceptable for you to look silly

2417
01:55:32,229 --> 01:55:30,889
reporting about an object on the pacific

2418
01:55:35,979 --> 01:55:32,239
coast

2419
01:55:41,939 --> 01:55:35,989
that all these scientists say is natural

2420
01:55:45,129 --> 01:55:41,949
but you say could possibly be a UFO base

2421
01:55:48,459 --> 01:55:45,139
inside the continental shelf so it's not

2422
01:55:51,100 --> 01:55:48,469
about the object itself it's not about

2423
01:55:53,379 --> 01:55:51,110
that formation itself and it's not

2424
01:55:57,129 --> 01:55:53,389
really about it's not really about UFOs

2425
01:56:00,430 --> 01:55:57,139
themselves it's about some guy on the

2426
01:56:04,330 --> 01:56:00,440
radio seeing a perfectly natural object

2427
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:04,340
they say right on Google Earth right and

2428
01:56:10,330 --> 01:56:06,650
suddenly speculating about UFOs that

2429
01:56:12,669 --> 01:56:10,340
just shows how these crackpot internet

2430
01:56:15,850 --> 01:56:12,679
radio stations operates

2431
01:56:18,669 --> 01:56:15,860
oh man and I've tried to say from the

2432
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:18,679
word go you know hey it could be natural

2433
01:56:23,739 --> 01:56:21,920
let's just go find out you know it's

2434
01:56:26,140 --> 01:56:23,749
it's it's really funny yeah you're

2435
01:56:27,549 --> 01:56:26,150
probably a hundred percent correct and

2436
01:56:31,049 --> 01:56:27,559
are you saying that through your own

2437
01:56:33,729 --> 01:56:31,059
experience - yeah of course I am I mean

2438
01:56:38,020 --> 01:56:33,739
we were when we did the dr. feelgood

2439
01:56:41,399 --> 01:56:38,030
book last year here's a book that quite

2440
01:56:44,279 --> 01:56:41,409
frankly I talked about this before my

2441
01:56:46,689 --> 01:56:44,289
intellectual purpose in the book my

2442
01:56:48,100 --> 01:56:46,699
Sherlock Holmes he in person in the book

2443
01:56:55,379 --> 01:56:48,110
okay that was my Sherlock Holmes

2444
01:56:58,810 --> 01:56:55,389
approach was why did this one doctor

2445
01:57:01,359 --> 01:56:58,820
have so much influence over so many

2446
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:01,369
people in the highest literal it achill

2447
01:57:07,089 --> 01:57:04,639
show business circles and what motivated

2448
01:57:09,790 --> 01:57:07,099
him to keep doing this and this and the

2449
01:57:15,399 --> 01:57:09,800
fascination of the drug itself

2450
01:57:18,549 --> 01:57:15,409
methamphetamine creating its own network

2451
01:57:20,890 --> 01:57:18,559
of users around the stockers and the

2452
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:20,900
relationship among those different

2453
01:57:26,620 --> 01:57:24,249
people the deaths it caused that the

2454
01:57:29,770 --> 01:57:26,630
conspiracies had caused the discourse

2455
01:57:33,279 --> 01:57:29,780
the death of a president I mean really I

2456
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:33,289
could I could spend the next week going

2457
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:37,280
through all the aspects of this network

2458
01:57:42,580 --> 01:57:39,530
why the Washington Post why the New York

2459
01:57:45,259 --> 01:57:42,590
Times why this why that why Richard

2460
01:57:50,089 --> 01:57:45,269
Nixon um

2461
01:57:51,829 --> 01:57:50,099
could do all that but the conservative

2462
01:57:54,979 --> 01:57:51,839
media and the British media they went

2463
01:57:58,189 --> 01:57:54,989
wild but the conservative media because

2464
01:58:00,649 --> 01:57:58,199
they because they love to find the magic

2465
01:58:01,729 --> 01:58:00,659
bullet so the magic bullet for Kennedy

2466
01:58:04,129 --> 01:58:01,739
everybody knew the Kennedy was a

2467
01:58:06,469 --> 01:58:04,139
womanizer Jackie wrote or a priest in

2468
01:58:09,709 --> 01:58:06,479
Ireland telling him she was upset about

2469
01:58:15,459 --> 01:58:09,719
his womanizing so that's public

2470
01:58:17,959 --> 01:58:15,469
information the the UM but the idea of

2471
01:58:19,699 --> 01:58:17,969
this is the president hidden medical

2472
01:58:21,439 --> 01:58:19,709
history he had this disease that disease

2473
01:58:24,469 --> 01:58:21,449
that disease that's as people knew it

2474
01:58:27,639 --> 01:58:24,479
but it never really came to the fore his

2475
01:58:30,739 --> 01:58:27,649
womanizing is this is taking LSD his his

2476
01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:30,749
methamphetamine use that was fabulous

2477
01:58:35,269 --> 01:58:32,249
stuff especially when you combine it

2478
01:58:38,119 --> 01:58:35,279
with the president taking off all of his

2479
01:58:39,769 --> 01:58:38,129
clothing at the Carlyle Hotel in a drug

2480
01:58:42,469 --> 01:58:39,779
a high running through the halls a naked

2481
01:58:43,939 --> 01:58:42,479
they loved that on Fox and we were on

2482
01:58:47,059 --> 01:58:43,949
Fox we were on the radio we were in

2483
01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:47,069
everywhere at that book Dick Morris told

2484
01:58:51,559 --> 01:58:50,129
us from day one presidential adviser to

2485
01:58:54,799 --> 01:58:51,569
Bill Clinton a conservative guy who

2486
01:58:56,449 --> 01:58:54,809
predicted Romney's victory his red-faced

2487
01:58:58,099 --> 01:58:56,459
about that he told me flat-out you'll

2488
01:59:00,169 --> 01:58:58,109
never get on mainstream media with this

2489
01:59:02,419 --> 01:59:00,179
outside of the conservative side of the

2490
01:59:06,319 --> 01:59:02,429
media nobody will touch you you are

2491
01:59:08,029 --> 01:59:06,329
poison and sure enough the New York

2492
01:59:11,869 --> 01:59:08,039
Times did a retrospective Jill Abramson

2493
01:59:15,859 --> 01:59:11,879
did a retrospective of all and I'm it I

2494
01:59:17,929 --> 01:59:15,869
mean not to brag but I'm a New York

2495
01:59:20,809 --> 01:59:17,939
Times bestselling author yes you are and

2496
01:59:22,969 --> 01:59:20,819
and and for the New York Times not to

2497
01:59:26,479 --> 01:59:22,979
cover this particular book in which the

2498
01:59:29,059 --> 01:59:26,489
New York Times itself and two of its

2499
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:29,069
reporters are instrumental to the

2500
01:59:33,439 --> 01:59:30,649
telling of the story

2501
01:59:34,879 --> 01:59:33,449
instrumental how the Times got the story

2502
01:59:36,919 --> 01:59:34,889
what the times they were that why The

2503
01:59:38,329 --> 01:59:36,929
Times ran with it why the Times

2504
01:59:39,979 --> 01:59:38,339
hesitated about running it

2505
01:59:41,389 --> 01:59:39,989
then why the times finally ran it and

2506
01:59:43,159 --> 01:59:41,399
why it was doing it against the

2507
01:59:46,939 --> 01:59:43,169
Washington Post as the two of them

2508
01:59:50,089 --> 01:59:46,949
fought over the Watergate story then in

2509
01:59:51,799 --> 01:59:50,099
the height of all that Nixon who this

2510
01:59:53,209 --> 01:59:51,809
doctor turned he wouldn't treat him

2511
01:59:56,619 --> 01:59:53,219
because he called Nixon an alcoholic

2512
01:59:59,029 --> 01:59:56,629
wouldn't give him mm feta means Nixon

2513
02:00:00,979 --> 01:59:59,039
starts the war on drugs

2514
02:00:02,959 --> 02:00:00,989
and this guy becomes the poster boy and

2515
02:00:06,469 --> 02:00:02,969
he wanted this doctor to give him drugs

2516
02:00:08,810 --> 02:00:06,479
I mean this is this is a only in America

2517
02:00:12,049 --> 02:00:08,820
this is right nope

2518
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:12,059
it touched the Kennedys we will not oh

2519
02:00:16,850 --> 02:00:14,610
we did a sedation conspiracy book it

2520
02:00:21,620 --> 02:00:16,860
wasn't didn't matter it got so grouped

2521
02:00:23,540 --> 02:00:21,630
so I know exactly what the I would I was

2522
02:00:26,529 --> 02:00:23,550
getting what did you pay me the

2523
02:00:30,020 --> 02:00:26,539
turndowns from The Daily Show from the

2524
02:00:32,839 --> 02:00:30,030
Gilmore right right well what did you

2525
02:00:34,609 --> 02:00:32,849
end up doing about it and and or did you

2526
02:00:36,890 --> 02:00:34,619
or could you do anything about it that's

2527
02:00:40,219 --> 02:00:36,900
well as we were picked up in the print

2528
02:00:45,290 --> 02:00:40,229
media the New York papers the British

2529
02:00:47,060 --> 02:00:45,300
papers and we you know definitely I told

2530
02:00:49,459 --> 02:00:47,070
you I I'm in a movie deal for this I I

2531
02:00:53,959 --> 02:00:49,469
wrote the script for the movie so the

2532
02:00:57,979 --> 02:00:53,969
fact is this has settled into culture

2533
02:00:59,540 --> 02:00:57,989
this is now settled into culture so I'm

2534
02:01:01,129 --> 02:00:59,550
not worried about the book but I'm just

2535
02:01:06,890 --> 02:01:01,139
but it but it just pointed to me it

2536
02:01:11,239 --> 02:01:06,900
starkly that there is a strong sluice

2537
02:01:13,609 --> 02:01:11,249
gate in the media where only certain

2538
02:01:15,949 --> 02:01:13,619
stories get through do you have to sit

2539
02:01:18,319 --> 02:01:15,959
on your hands you know you write to

2540
02:01:20,449 --> 02:01:18,329
people you write letters I mean these

2541
02:01:24,410 --> 02:01:20,459
last two books I did I I sent one of

2542
02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:24,420
them to Chris Hayes along with across

2543
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:27,209
can see he told the exact he was raising

2544
02:01:34,699 --> 02:01:31,170
me this is the story of veterans wounded

2545
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:34,709
mines and the school shootings hearts of

2546
02:01:39,620 --> 02:01:37,170
darkness so so he's talking about this

2547
02:01:41,419 --> 02:01:39,630
he's saying why why this rhetorical

2548
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:41,429
screaming into the universe why is this

2549
02:01:45,770 --> 02:01:43,199
happening to us I found the two books

2550
02:01:49,669 --> 02:01:45,780
sent him an email send the two books

2551
02:01:50,810 --> 02:01:49,679
returned unopened huh that's your

2552
02:01:54,799 --> 02:01:50,820
liberal media right there

2553
02:02:01,600 --> 02:01:54,809
well I my take or that my approach to

2554
02:02:04,790 --> 02:02:01,610
this was to only put it on the website

2555
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:04,800
speak about it on the show and then let

2556
02:02:10,699 --> 02:02:07,920
it go and let it you know not to push it

2557
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:10,709
there's no reason to and I didn't want

2558
02:02:15,050 --> 02:02:12,690
everybody out there to think

2559
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:15,060
that we were doing this for money or

2560
02:02:21,770 --> 02:02:17,610
doing this for clicks or doing this for

2561
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:21,780
fame or you know nepotism is the wrong

2562
02:02:26,930 --> 02:02:23,280
word but I think you understand what I'm

2563
02:02:29,470 --> 02:02:26,940
trying to say and you were but but let's

2564
02:02:32,540 --> 02:02:29,480
be honest the reason you have websites

2565
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:32,550
that report the news from the radio show

2566
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:36,210
is because you want folks to go there to

2567
02:02:40,189 --> 02:02:37,850
read the news and listen to on the radio

2568
02:02:43,220 --> 02:02:40,199
what's wrong with that no nothing's

2569
02:02:44,750 --> 02:02:43,230
wrong with that and if I hadn't that you

2570
02:02:48,470 --> 02:02:44,760
know what's more dangerous though this

2571
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:48,480
is the thing if I hadn't have taken the

2572
02:02:54,170 --> 02:02:51,840
approach that I did I what if I just

2573
02:02:57,459 --> 02:02:54,180
ignored you know the images that were

2574
02:03:00,650 --> 02:02:57,469
sent to me and I set out whatever and or

2575
02:03:02,420 --> 02:03:00,660
it suppressed it myself and just thought

2576
02:03:04,189 --> 02:03:02,430
nah nobody's gonna care about this if I

2577
02:03:07,610 --> 02:03:04,199
wouldn't have said anything isn't that

2578
02:03:09,860 --> 02:03:07,620
worse than saying something well you

2579
02:03:12,860 --> 02:03:09,870
would be your own you would be your own

2580
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:12,870
censor I mean we we we ran into a pack

2581
02:03:18,860 --> 02:03:15,090
of trouble years ago at the magazine

2582
02:03:21,110 --> 02:03:18,870
when this person Colonel X told us there

2583
02:03:24,200 --> 02:03:21,120
was a UFO we actually found the thing to

2584
02:03:25,670 --> 02:03:24,210
that there was a UFO flying over the Las

2585
02:03:28,340 --> 02:03:25,680
Vegas National Forest

2586
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:28,350
right right he said it was there go up

2587
02:03:33,830 --> 02:03:31,110
there he'll leave a latter force or the

2588
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:33,840
telescope for Santa born so we were back

2589
02:03:37,580 --> 02:03:36,000
and forth with him we got chastised all

2590
02:03:40,010 --> 02:03:37,590
over the place you put this stuff in the

2591
02:03:43,130 --> 02:03:40,020
cover Steven Greer was screaming at us

2592
02:03:44,630 --> 02:03:43,140
for this so how dare we step on this

2593
02:03:46,610 --> 02:03:44,640
investigation we said what investigation

2594
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:46,620
were magazine you know we're not well

2595
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:49,440
that's definite anything so when the

2596
02:03:53,330 --> 02:03:51,090
time came to do the first episode of UFO

2597
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:53,340
Hunters folks can read about this whole

2598
02:04:01,360 --> 02:03:55,440
story in the UFO Hunters book one you

2599
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:01,370
can get that also from Amazon so the the

2600
02:04:08,090 --> 02:04:05,610
we reporter on this and then we did the

2601
02:04:11,300 --> 02:04:08,100
first episode and I pushed I said look

2602
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:11,310
we have we're going to Washington so why

2603
02:04:15,770 --> 02:04:13,410
not fly don't worry that was the UFOs

2604
02:04:18,260 --> 02:04:15,780
before arrival at the mooring Island

2605
02:04:21,709 --> 02:04:18,270
episode so he said look since we're

2606
02:04:23,450 --> 02:04:21,719
going to Washington anyway why don't we

2607
02:04:25,850 --> 02:04:23,460
instead of flying from LAX

2608
02:04:26,240 --> 02:04:25,860
let's fly from McCarran Airport in Las

2609
02:04:28,240 --> 02:04:26,250
face

2610
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:28,250
so let's go track this thing down it

2611
02:04:33,230 --> 02:04:31,530
literally is on the way you did you take

2612
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:33,240
your vans you drive my car and you dump

2613
02:04:37,730 --> 02:04:34,410
them well if you get in a plane you go

2614
02:04:41,210 --> 02:04:37,740
to Seattle or that's a coma but but but

2615
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:41,220
before we do that take a day and you

2616
02:04:48,860 --> 02:04:45,210
drive to Vegas and then and we did okay

2617
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:48,870
so the guy was telling us this Colonel X

2618
02:04:52,700 --> 02:04:50,880
no no no don't come don't come you can't

2619
02:04:57,140 --> 02:04:52,710
do it I said nobody tells me not to come

2620
02:04:59,390 --> 02:04:57,150
so we went went up the Las Vegas

2621
02:05:01,250 --> 02:04:59,400
National Park saw the object from Jim

2622
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:01,260
Sanders house Jim Sanders downing if you

2623
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:03,810
do a flight 800 we saw the object from

2624
02:05:10,240 --> 02:05:07,290
his house in Vegas we went up to

2625
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:10,250
National Forest up the up the mountain

2626
02:05:16,940 --> 02:05:13,440
set ourselves up at the like a rest of a

2627
02:05:21,410 --> 02:05:16,950
restaurant up there big telescope big

2628
02:05:24,200 --> 02:05:21,420
camera big storm app computer set it all

2629
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:24,210
up found the object there it was there

2630
02:05:28,820 --> 02:05:25,440
she was sitting right over the horizon

2631
02:05:32,830 --> 02:05:28,830
brightest can be I walk inside I text my

2632
02:05:35,900 --> 02:05:32,840
I text Nancy we found it there it is I

2633
02:05:39,800 --> 02:05:35,910
hit the send button beep beep beep beep

2634
02:05:41,710 --> 02:05:39,810
beep the object turns his lights off and

2635
02:05:45,230 --> 02:05:41,720
drops beneath the horizon

2636
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:45,240
what is it hands I gravity well let's go

2637
02:05:50,270 --> 02:05:46,880
back to Sandra's house he says the

2638
02:05:53,080 --> 02:05:50,280
darndest thing this object disappeared

2639
02:05:58,060 --> 02:05:53,090
what did you do I don't know

2640
02:06:00,380 --> 02:05:58,070
photographed it bill Scott who is the

2641
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:00,390
Aviation Week Space Technology Rocky

2642
02:06:04,010 --> 02:06:01,770
Mountain bureau chief not anymore he's

2643
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:04,020
retired but he's been a guest on our

2644
02:06:07,400 --> 02:06:05,090
show

2645
02:06:10,010 --> 02:06:07,410
he said that was an observation platform

2646
02:06:12,890 --> 02:06:10,020
that the that was part of a chillon that

2647
02:06:14,810 --> 02:06:12,900
was NSA didn't say a schleimann so that

2648
02:06:16,850 --> 02:06:14,820
was part of NSA they scrubbed your

2649
02:06:18,410 --> 02:06:16,860
message they sent you a message they

2650
02:06:19,610 --> 02:06:18,420
knew exactly who you were where you were

2651
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:19,620
where you're texting where you're going

2652
02:06:26,510 --> 02:06:22,170
from this is like what six years before

2653
02:06:30,500 --> 02:06:26,520
Edward Snowden right so so episode never

2654
02:06:33,670 --> 02:06:30,510
aired never saw the light of day do you

2655
02:06:36,860 --> 02:06:33,680
see the way that you tell the story it

2656
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:36,870
sounds like that was the timing how do

2657
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:40,170
you feel do you feel that

2658
02:06:45,500 --> 02:06:43,199
that it was too you know I hate to use

2659
02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:45,510
that word coincidence but that's what

2660
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:48,000
the way it went down is that how you

2661
02:06:51,620 --> 02:06:50,070
feel now that's exactly I went down they

2662
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:51,630
saw the message they knew they were

2663
02:06:55,700 --> 02:06:54,210
being spotted they knew who we were they

2664
02:06:58,130 --> 02:06:55,710
could read our license plates from

2665
02:07:00,350 --> 02:06:58,140
wherever they were in the sky and and

2666
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:00,360
and and it takes you know can you

2667
02:07:06,530 --> 02:07:03,690
imagine the technology that we already

2668
02:07:08,930 --> 02:07:06,540
have in our own computers they you read

2669
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:08,940
the license plate it's a rental car run

2670
02:07:14,780 --> 02:07:11,370
the plates it was rented to UFO onder's

2671
02:07:16,820 --> 02:07:14,790
Motion Picture Company there they they

2672
02:07:17,540 --> 02:07:16,830
saw us okay fine let's go look at you

2673
02:07:20,330 --> 02:07:17,550
shut it down

2674
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:20,340
I've got like five things that I've got

2675
02:07:25,850 --> 02:07:23,010
to ask you that are flying through the

2676
02:07:28,459 --> 02:07:25,860
Twitter world here really quick so let

2677
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:28,469
me just bang this out let me go to this

2678
02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:31,760
one first why would Steven Greer care

2679
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:35,730
why because in the UFO world

2680
02:07:41,630 --> 02:07:39,570
the downside of the UFO world and I

2681
02:07:44,959 --> 02:07:41,640
could go on and on through a whole bunch

2682
02:07:47,780 --> 02:07:44,969
of cases where people seized on a case

2683
02:07:50,750 --> 02:07:47,790
they treat the case as their own

2684
02:07:53,120 --> 02:07:50,760
property they become proprietary towards

2685
02:07:55,970 --> 02:07:53,130
all the information in the case and as a

2686
02:07:57,950 --> 02:07:55,980
result they will fight you for

2687
02:07:59,450 --> 02:07:57,960
jurisdiction over that case even when

2688
02:08:01,640 --> 02:07:59,460
you're not fighting for jurisdiction we

2689
02:08:03,380 --> 02:08:01,650
found that in this Colonel X case we

2690
02:08:05,810 --> 02:08:03,390
found that in the Moria Island episode

2691
02:08:07,939 --> 02:08:05,820
we found that in Stephenville I can go

2692
02:08:12,410 --> 02:08:07,949
on and on are you still running in

2693
02:08:19,700 --> 02:08:12,420
Pennsylvania running the show in pencil

2694
02:08:25,419 --> 02:08:19,710
no for Congress oh no no III it was for

2695
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:25,429
assembly state assembly and so I'm happy

2696
02:08:31,340 --> 02:08:29,280
I'm voting its primary day and I walk

2697
02:08:32,930 --> 02:08:31,350
outside minute they did the local

2698
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:32,940
Democratic Party Chairman so I say hey

2699
02:08:36,530 --> 02:08:34,410
you've got nobody on the ballot for

2700
02:08:38,510 --> 02:08:36,540
state assembly for this place oh yeah

2701
02:08:41,930 --> 02:08:38,520
yeah yeah yeah we have nobody about I

2702
02:08:43,729 --> 02:08:41,940
said how come in America we have

2703
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:43,739
elections we don't have coronation so we

2704
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:46,170
have elections you win you lose but you

2705
02:08:52,340 --> 02:08:48,570
run people over you it's called

2706
02:08:53,240 --> 02:08:52,350
democracy so so he said well we we need

2707
02:08:55,670 --> 02:08:53,250
a candidate I said

2708
02:08:57,170 --> 02:08:55,680
I'll be the candidate takes my name

2709
02:08:59,900 --> 02:08:57,180
we're all set

2710
02:09:02,180 --> 02:08:59,910
they never called do you get paid for

2711
02:09:04,430 --> 02:09:02,190
something like that being a state

2712
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,440
assemblyman oh yeah yeah really yeah is

2713
02:09:08,300 --> 02:09:06,960
it a full-time gig it's a full-time gig

2714
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:08,310
I mean you'll see people that are like

2715
02:09:13,160 --> 02:09:10,320
you know I wrote a I have another

2716
02:09:15,050 --> 02:09:13,170
business right but I'm also state

2717
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:15,060
assemblyman I mean you're not living in

2718
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:17,490
Harrisburg right just go back and forth

2719
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:20,490
right right okay so what happened that's

2720
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:23,490
they recalled nothing not a thing well I

2721
02:09:29,900 --> 02:09:26,850
got elected well we don't know until

2722
02:09:31,970 --> 02:09:29,910
November but well can't you be a writing

2723
02:09:33,770 --> 02:09:31,980
can't you write yourself in Frank that

2724
02:09:35,930 --> 02:09:33,780
is write myself in I can do that

2725
02:09:39,050 --> 02:09:35,940
certainly I could call them but but see

2726
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:39,060
between then and now we sign the Mickey

2727
02:09:46,930 --> 02:09:41,250
Rooney book with a big publisher right

2728
02:09:51,650 --> 02:09:46,940
so now I am like totally immersed in

2729
02:09:53,990 --> 02:09:51,660
writing this manuscript because done

2730
02:09:55,850 --> 02:09:54,000
right with the right promotion maybe

2731
02:09:57,590 --> 02:09:55,860
they'll forget that I'm the UFO guy and

2732
02:10:01,000 --> 02:09:57,600
promote the book it's a this sexy

2733
02:10:04,910 --> 02:10:01,010
scandalous unbelievably scandalous book

2734
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:04,920
yes it is okay let me keep going I got a

2735
02:10:11,690 --> 02:10:08,970
bunch of stuff here please ask bill but

2736
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:11,700
he thinks is going on okay here we go

2737
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:13,440
we're gonna do this for the next 20

2738
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:14,810
minutes till the bottom of the hour

2739
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:23,760
mh370 oh well you know that that it will

2740
02:10:28,070 --> 02:10:25,650
expert they're a couple extras Jim

2741
02:10:30,350 --> 02:10:28,080
Sanders again down FDDI flight 800 who

2742
02:10:31,910 --> 02:10:30,360
said everybody's looking for the point

2743
02:10:38,980 --> 02:10:31,920
when the planes already landed someplace

2744
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:38,990
I mean let's just say that they pilots

2745
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:43,170
first of all Jim is saying that one

2746
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:45,090
thing we're not going to do is broadcast

2747
02:10:49,220 --> 02:10:46,320
the fact that the plane was either

2748
02:10:49,490 --> 02:10:49,230
hijacked or deliver or something like

2749
02:10:52,130 --> 02:10:49,500
that

2750
02:10:54,020 --> 02:10:52,140
or if the plane is still around there

2751
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:54,030
are people in our intelligence circles

2752
02:10:58,670 --> 02:10:56,730
who believe who believe the plane

2753
02:10:59,180 --> 02:10:58,680
actually did land never crashed in the

2754
02:11:01,160 --> 02:10:59,190
ocean

2755
02:11:04,250 --> 02:11:01,170
no we may be proven wrong but it

2756
02:11:07,220 --> 02:11:04,260
actually landed and it's good to be used

2757
02:11:10,580 --> 02:11:07,230
as a guided missile just like 9/11

2758
02:11:12,230 --> 02:11:10,590
only this time you put a nuke in it so

2759
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:12,240
you have the play and you save the plane

2760
02:11:16,670 --> 02:11:13,920
what about the passengers what about the

2761
02:11:18,590 --> 02:11:16,680
passengers well as Jim explained you

2762
02:11:21,370 --> 02:11:18,600
only have about 15 minutes of oxygen

2763
02:11:25,070 --> 02:11:21,380
when those masks fall on the cabin right

2764
02:11:31,340 --> 02:11:25,080
the plane rose to 45,000 feet rose

2765
02:11:33,260 --> 02:11:31,350
10,000 feet his theory is that at 10,000

2766
02:11:36,490 --> 02:11:33,270
feet the pilot shuts off the cabin

2767
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:36,500
pressurization shuts off the heat and

2768
02:11:42,770 --> 02:11:40,530
it's sub-freezing up there we got

2769
02:11:45,170 --> 02:11:42,780
sub-freezing close to freezing shuts off

2770
02:11:47,480 --> 02:11:45,180
the heat shuts off the cabin pressure so

2771
02:11:50,330 --> 02:11:47,490
the cabin is not depressurized the

2772
02:11:52,600 --> 02:11:50,340
oxygen masks for the people will be dead

2773
02:11:54,950 --> 02:11:52,610
in about two minutes

2774
02:11:56,270 --> 02:11:54,960
that's so much about rising ships yes

2775
02:11:59,030 --> 02:11:56,280
yes okay

2776
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:59,040
now you land the plane now you've

2777
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:00,960
successfully hijacked the plane only

2778
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:05,130
your the pilots so either the person

2779
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:07,770
that is not part of the hijacking team

2780
02:12:14,150 --> 02:12:10,410
is gonna live or die but the plane is

2781
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:14,160
now in hands of those who can fly it or

2782
02:12:19,820 --> 02:12:16,890
MIT with a nuclear weapon painted in any

2783
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:19,830
colors they want the transponder is shut

2784
02:12:28,970 --> 02:12:24,930
off and flied into anywhere is it way to

2785
02:12:32,890 --> 02:12:28,980
be easier just to go by a plane yeah I

2786
02:12:38,090 --> 02:12:32,900
mean I don't know and if a sub-national

2787
02:12:40,700 --> 02:12:38,100
group bought a jet do you think they

2788
02:12:43,820 --> 02:12:40,710
would keep that jet and even take

2789
02:12:47,690 --> 02:12:43,830
delivery well I understand what you're

2790
02:12:49,610 --> 02:12:47,700
saying and I'm all all theories are on

2791
02:12:51,470 --> 02:12:49,620
the table right now and they're all if

2792
02:12:53,900 --> 02:12:51,480
they're all good as far as I'm concerned

2793
02:12:55,580 --> 02:12:53,910
but you can get it you can get a jet in

2794
02:12:59,870 --> 02:12:55,590
Russia for about two dollars and 50

2795
02:13:01,610 --> 02:12:59,880
cents well that may be but there is

2796
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:01,620
still a whole bunch of export controls

2797
02:13:07,610 --> 02:13:05,610
and all kinds of controls that are going

2798
02:13:09,410 --> 02:13:07,620
to identify you so you buy the plane you

2799
02:13:11,330 --> 02:13:09,420
land the plane you fit it with an atomic

2800
02:13:12,500 --> 02:13:11,340
bomb and you fly it someplace and by the

2801
02:13:15,470 --> 02:13:12,510
time you're taking it off

2802
02:13:18,230 --> 02:13:15,480
you know you shut down so so so no they

2803
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:18,240
would know even even the Russians I mean

2804
02:13:23,330 --> 02:13:21,090
they're not so stupid as to be complicit

2805
02:13:25,550 --> 02:13:23,340
a terrorist act selling a plane to a

2806
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:25,560
terrorist to attack a country not even

2807
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:30,810
Putin is that stupid so so so so so they

2808
02:13:34,820 --> 02:13:32,880
have to hijack the plane and that was

2809
02:13:37,100 --> 02:13:34,830
part of the plan by the way that was in

2810
02:13:38,629 --> 02:13:37,110
ramsey Yusuf's computer when they would

2811
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:38,639
always take it in the philippines yep

2812
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:40,560
yep yep yep that was part of the plan

2813
02:13:46,899 --> 02:13:42,239
you hijack planes you taking me use of

2814
02:13:50,870 --> 02:13:46,909
his bombs yes well one thing is for sure

2815
02:13:53,410 --> 02:13:50,880
the United States and probably a half a

2816
02:13:56,149 --> 02:13:53,420
dozen other countries in that region

2817
02:13:57,020 --> 02:13:56,159
Australia being a strong candidate India

2818
02:14:00,979 --> 02:13:57,030
being another one

2819
02:14:04,010 --> 02:14:00,989
certainly Pakistan know exactly where

2820
02:14:06,200 --> 02:14:04,020
that plane is and what you know it

2821
02:14:08,720 --> 02:14:06,210
doesn't matter if it crashed it doesn't

2822
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:08,730
matter if it landed the point is they

2823
02:14:15,470 --> 02:14:11,010
know and they're not telling right this

2824
02:14:19,459 --> 02:14:15,480
is why India this is why India raised a

2825
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:19,469
high alert for that for a plane being

2826
02:14:25,780 --> 02:14:21,690
used as a missile they suspected the

2827
02:14:30,290 --> 02:14:25,790
Pakistanis I you know and don't you I

2828
02:14:32,060 --> 02:14:30,300
hate to say that we're being lied to

2829
02:14:35,180 --> 02:14:32,070
about this but this is one of those

2830
02:14:37,010 --> 02:14:35,190
blatant situations that is right in

2831
02:14:38,959 --> 02:14:37,020
front of all of us and nobody wants to

2832
02:14:42,290 --> 02:14:38,969
talk about it nobody wants to bring up

2833
02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:42,300
the real truth and that's the Overton

2834
02:14:50,510 --> 02:14:46,290
Window it's the Overton Window okay we

2835
02:14:53,660 --> 02:14:50,520
were attacked by jihadists on 9/11 and

2836
02:14:56,120 --> 02:14:53,670
the building's fell down because they

2837
02:14:59,020 --> 02:14:56,130
were hit by jets and their jet fuel

2838
02:15:01,820 --> 02:14:59,030
weakened the struts and the girders and

2839
02:15:03,260 --> 02:15:01,830
the building is just pancake like that

2840
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:03,270
which they don't by the way they they

2841
02:15:08,689 --> 02:15:06,480
fall over on their side and and that's

2842
02:15:10,580 --> 02:15:08,699
what happened so all the other stuff

2843
02:15:12,169 --> 02:15:10,590
surrounding it the fact that the United

2844
02:15:14,720 --> 02:15:12,179
States was warned the fact that

2845
02:15:17,149 --> 02:15:14,730
Condoleezza Rice personally took a cable

2846
02:15:19,609 --> 02:15:17,159
from this person Katz who was warned by

2847
02:15:21,589 --> 02:15:19,619
the Taliban that Osama bin Laden I mean

2848
02:15:25,370 --> 02:15:21,599
all that okay so we knew that it was

2849
02:15:28,129 --> 02:15:25,380
coming and so there's all that and all

2850
02:15:29,479 --> 02:15:28,139
the people that made money from the

2851
02:15:31,970 --> 02:15:29,489
collapse that bill remember there were

2852
02:15:33,770 --> 02:15:31,980
explosives in world trade tower one and

2853
02:15:34,759 --> 02:15:33,780
two they were explosives that big

2854
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:34,769
because you

2855
02:15:38,479 --> 02:15:36,690
but explosives from these things because

2856
02:15:42,169 --> 02:15:38,489
you may take these things down someday

2857
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:42,179
so so so that was there that the land

2858
02:15:46,489 --> 02:15:44,880
for the World Trade Center was always

2859
02:15:48,020 --> 02:15:46,499
more valuable than the buildings that

2860
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:48,030
stood but when you take the buildings

2861
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,610
down it's so expensive active war

2862
02:15:56,029 --> 02:15:52,800
buildings come down oh I've insured it

2863
02:15:58,040 --> 02:15:56,039
oh I get paid so I mean so there's all

2864
02:16:00,319 --> 02:15:58,050
this surrounding that not to mention the

2865
02:16:03,379 --> 02:16:00,329
whole story of exotic weapons so there's

2866
02:16:05,870 --> 02:16:03,389
all this story all around it it's never

2867
02:16:08,569 --> 02:16:05,880
gonna go in the fit through the Overton

2868
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:08,579
Window can't people are gonna laugh at

2869
02:16:14,359 --> 02:16:12,719
you and and my classic case is on the

2870
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:14,369
Rachel Maddow Show she was making a big

2871
02:16:20,209 --> 02:16:17,130
deal in the Lyndon Johnson Oval Office

2872
02:16:22,910 --> 02:16:20,219
takes LBJ had a taping system in the

2873
02:16:24,919 --> 02:16:22,920
office Nixon didn't invent it and the

2874
02:16:27,410 --> 02:16:24,929
reason Nixon did invent it was for tax

2875
02:16:31,910 --> 02:16:27,420
purposes really mainly but Johnson had a

2876
02:16:33,049 --> 02:16:31,920
tape in the Oval Office and he's taping

2877
02:16:36,169 --> 02:16:33,059
conversations and one of the

2878
02:16:38,660 --> 02:16:36,179
conversations he's taping is he's entry

2879
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:38,670
into a deal with the North Vietnamese to

2880
02:16:43,339 --> 02:16:40,800
let the Americans get out of Vietnam I

2881
02:16:45,620 --> 02:16:43,349
mean we can spend the next 24 hours

2882
02:16:47,629 --> 02:16:45,630
talking about why we're there but to get

2883
02:16:51,950 --> 02:16:47,639
America out of Vietnam that's the deal

2884
02:16:57,320 --> 02:16:51,960
and on the tape Nixon is complaining

2885
02:17:00,139 --> 02:16:57,330
over the phone that Richard Nixon has

2886
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:00,149
gone behind LBJ's back to the South

2887
02:17:06,740 --> 02:17:04,080
Vietnamese embassy and it said to the

2888
02:17:09,589 --> 02:17:06,750
South Vietnamese don't take President

2889
02:17:11,450 --> 02:17:09,599
Johnson's do you wait till I'm president

2890
02:17:14,660 --> 02:17:11,460
and you get a better deal and this is

2891
02:17:16,610 --> 02:17:14,670
all on tape that Nixon torpedoed how

2892
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:16,620
many people died in the ensuing years

2893
02:17:21,459 --> 02:17:19,200
because Nixon torpedoed the peace

2894
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:21,469
discussions with the North Vietnamese

2895
02:17:27,559 --> 02:17:25,050
and Rachel Maddow seizes on that as an

2896
02:17:30,320 --> 02:17:27,569
example of Lyndon Johnson referring to

2897
02:17:35,870 --> 02:17:30,330
Richard Nixon as treasonous for doing

2898
02:17:40,009 --> 02:17:35,880
that okay on the same set of tapes the

2899
02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:40,019
very same set of tapes released in 1997

2900
02:17:46,419 --> 02:17:43,529
by Lady Bird Johnson Lyndon Johnson's

2901
02:17:48,350 --> 02:17:46,429
Widow the very same tapes is a

2902
02:17:52,490 --> 02:17:48,360
conversation that takes place

2903
02:17:54,980 --> 02:17:52,500
the Oval Office just a day after the

2904
02:17:58,041 --> 02:17:54,990
assassination of JFK when J Edgar Hoover

2905
02:17:59,630 --> 02:17:58,051
walks into the office and J Gruber walks

2906
02:18:01,791 --> 02:17:59,640
into the office and talks about the to

2907
02:18:04,970 --> 02:18:01,801
Lee Harvey Oswald's and Lyndon Johnson

2908
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:04,980
the chief executive officer and from

2909
02:18:10,280 --> 02:18:08,010
Texas says to the chief law enforcement

2910
02:18:11,420 --> 02:18:10,290
officer of the federal government but

2911
02:18:13,940 --> 02:18:11,430
we're going to keep this information

2912
02:18:16,610 --> 02:18:13,950
from Allen Dulles and and and and the

2913
02:18:18,831 --> 02:18:16,620
investigators that's conspiracy to

2914
02:18:20,990 --> 02:18:18,841
obstruct justice conspiracy after the

2915
02:18:23,060 --> 02:18:21,000
fact in a capital murder in Texas that's

2916
02:18:27,620 --> 02:18:23,070
a hanging offense in Texas that's right

2917
02:18:29,210 --> 02:18:27,630
and it's a capital crime and here how

2918
02:18:31,970 --> 02:18:29,220
many times where have you seen this

2919
02:18:33,470 --> 02:18:31,980
reported did Michael Beschloss write

2920
02:18:36,680 --> 02:18:33,480
about this and taking charge the

2921
02:18:39,500 --> 02:18:36,690
official MSNBC historian no I didn't see

2922
02:18:40,850 --> 02:18:39,510
it in his book no the farm wrong I stand

2923
02:18:43,340 --> 02:18:40,860
corrected but I didn't see it in his

2924
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:43,350
book you didn't see it in the media it

2925
02:18:47,630 --> 02:18:44,880
was in Time magazine and Newsweek

2926
02:18:49,370 --> 02:18:47,640
magazine a blip on the radar and I have

2927
02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:49,380
those upstairs in the attic and under

2928
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:51,570
the hornets unfortunately and then it

2929
02:18:58,940 --> 02:18:56,160
disappeared so um and it was only

2930
02:19:00,440 --> 02:18:58,950
referred to obscurely by David Belen who

2931
02:19:02,720 --> 02:19:00,450
was one of the apologists for the Warren

2932
02:19:04,370 --> 02:19:02,730
Commission saying that Hoover was really

2933
02:19:06,470 --> 02:19:04,380
shooting off his mouth about the - Lee

2934
02:19:08,300 --> 02:19:06,480
Harvey Oswald and but he didn't mention

2935
02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:08,310
the fact that LBJ was complicit in

2936
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:10,770
conspiring to keep that from the police

2937
02:19:16,430 --> 02:19:12,450
investigators he doesn't mention that

2938
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:16,440
the I've said this once tonight I'll say

2939
02:19:23,570 --> 02:19:18,450
it again the pink elephant in the room

2940
02:19:27,410 --> 02:19:23,580
with all of this with mh370 with with

2941
02:19:31,310 --> 02:19:27,420
LBJ with Nixon with 9/11 and the Twin

2942
02:19:35,930 --> 02:19:31,320
Towers is how you know I'll say it right

2943
02:19:39,380 --> 02:19:35,940
direct why our country wouldn't do that

2944
02:19:40,940 --> 02:19:39,390
our country wouldn't kill innocent

2945
02:19:45,260 --> 02:19:40,950
people like that they would you know

2946
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:45,270
that that mh370 wouldn't have been you

2947
02:19:50,331 --> 02:19:48,570
know I you know the mh370 and and and

2948
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:50,341
the world try 9/11 or two different

2949
02:19:55,430 --> 02:19:52,880
things I mean the mh370 basically is

2950
02:19:57,831 --> 02:19:55,440
what I think the plane was hijacked

2951
02:19:59,870 --> 02:19:57,841
that's why it turned around the

2952
02:20:02,360 --> 02:19:59,880
passengers was killed were killed that's

2953
02:20:05,070 --> 02:20:02,370
why it ascend

2954
02:20:06,570 --> 02:20:05,080
45,000 feet pressure was turned off the

2955
02:20:08,881 --> 02:20:06,580
plane was landed somewhere and it'll

2956
02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:08,891
turn up again somewhere unless we know

2957
02:20:13,171 --> 02:20:11,410
where it is and we're letting the story

2958
02:20:15,751 --> 02:20:13,181
die down you're not going to find the

2959
02:20:18,900 --> 02:20:15,761
plane and then a small Special Forces

2960
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:18,910
operation will take out the hijackers

2961
02:20:22,530 --> 02:20:20,650
and take out the plane right and that's

2962
02:20:25,171 --> 02:20:22,540
what I'm talking about is the big lie

2963
02:20:30,541 --> 02:20:25,181
whether it is that whether it was shot

2964
02:20:32,370 --> 02:20:30,551
down by our aircraft because it was it

2965
02:20:36,331 --> 02:20:32,380
was hijacked and we weren't gonna allow

2966
02:20:38,341 --> 02:20:36,341
it to be flown into another situation

2967
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:38,351
like 9/11 that the the plane was

2968
02:20:43,620 --> 02:20:41,250
intentionally shot down or it was

2969
02:20:46,020 --> 02:20:43,630
accidentally shot down in military

2970
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:46,030
exercises that were going in in in the

2971
02:20:50,551 --> 02:20:48,880
Indian Ocean or any knowledge at all of

2972
02:20:54,301 --> 02:20:50,561
our government or any other government

2973
02:20:55,980 --> 02:20:54,311
of said downing a plane whether it was

2974
02:20:59,011 --> 02:20:55,990
accidental whether it was hijacked

2975
02:21:01,081 --> 02:20:59,021
but 239 lives were certainly lost and

2976
02:21:06,810 --> 02:21:01,091
that is my point and that goes right

2977
02:21:09,421 --> 02:21:06,820
back to 9/11 how could you know we have

2978
02:21:11,251 --> 02:21:09,431
to be forced to accept the big lie that

2979
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:11,261
nobody knew anything about it and that's

2980
02:21:15,961 --> 02:21:13,120
the pink elephant in the room and it's

2981
02:21:17,730 --> 02:21:15,971
it's it's harsh and nobody wants to talk

2982
02:21:20,011 --> 02:21:17,740
about it whether it is the Overton

2983
02:21:21,751 --> 02:21:20,021
Window or not these are certainly the

2984
02:21:24,421 --> 02:21:21,761
subjects that need to be talked about

2985
02:21:27,780 --> 02:21:24,431
and they are not and they are completely

2986
02:21:29,461 --> 02:21:27,790
ignored why would they are and in fact

2987
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:29,471
they're worse than ignored if they were

2988
02:21:36,450 --> 02:21:33,130
ignored that's one thing but they're not

2989
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:36,460
ignored they are looked at as objects of

2990
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:39,610
ridicule and scorn for comparison

2991
02:21:43,950 --> 02:21:41,650
purposes for other stories take

2992
02:21:45,900 --> 02:21:43,960
President Obama for example when he's

2993
02:21:48,421 --> 02:21:45,910
talking about these crazy conspiracies

2994
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:48,431
the Republicans are raising right and

2995
02:21:53,581 --> 02:21:51,210
some of them sound pretty crazy but

2996
02:21:59,461 --> 02:21:53,591
regardless of how crazy they sound or

2997
02:22:01,020 --> 02:21:59,471
not to compare Obama said oh this is

2998
02:22:02,791 --> 02:22:01,030
like what happened over this is like

2999
02:22:06,030 --> 02:22:02,801
people claiming of what happened at

3000
02:22:07,831 --> 02:22:06,040
Roswell he's the president he knows darn

3001
02:22:09,810 --> 02:22:07,841
well what happened at Roswell he knows

3002
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:09,820
the whole story of Roswell he was

3003
02:22:15,979 --> 02:22:14,080
briefed on that in the presidential

3004
02:22:18,619 --> 02:22:15,989
briefing regarding what to see

3005
02:22:21,229 --> 02:22:18,629
by a nose and what his national security

3006
02:22:22,999 --> 02:22:21,239
oath is in not revealing a president to

3007
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:23,009
take national security oats they can be

3008
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:25,439
prosecuted for breaking that oath as

3009
02:22:29,779 --> 02:22:26,850
Jimmy Carter was threatened with

3010
02:22:33,109 --> 02:22:29,789
prosecution for talking about revealing

3011
02:22:37,460 --> 02:22:33,119
UFOs I mean the the classic answer about

3012
02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:37,470
UFOs which really reveals more than you

3013
02:22:42,409 --> 02:22:39,810
think it does while saying nothing is

3014
02:22:46,539 --> 02:22:42,419
Dick Cheney's response when I think it

3015
02:22:50,210 --> 02:22:46,549
was grant Cameron who asked Dick Cheney

3016
02:22:51,829 --> 02:22:50,220
have you been briefed on UFOs again very

3017
02:22:54,109 --> 02:22:51,839
important question had you been briefed

3018
02:22:56,479 --> 02:22:54,119
so it's a two-part question if you were

3019
02:22:59,359 --> 02:22:56,489
briefed on UFOs that means somebody in

3020
02:23:01,369 --> 02:22:59,369
the government believe that UFOs were

3021
02:23:03,170 --> 02:23:01,379
worth briefing you about if they weren't

3022
02:23:07,279 --> 02:23:03,180
there they wouldn't briefed you about it

3023
02:23:10,069 --> 02:23:07,289
so you're briefed about it and so one

3024
02:23:14,210 --> 02:23:10,079
the person knows about UFOs because he's

3025
02:23:16,489 --> 02:23:14,220
been briefed or not or and that UFOs are

3026
02:23:18,949 --> 02:23:16,499
worth being briefed about so Dick

3027
02:23:21,889 --> 02:23:18,959
Cheney's answer was if I were briefed

3028
02:23:23,989 --> 02:23:21,899
about UFOs that briefing would be

3029
02:23:27,380 --> 02:23:23,999
classified and if it's classified I

3030
02:23:29,269 --> 02:23:27,390
can't answer your question I got I'm

3031
02:23:31,969 --> 02:23:29,279
gonna bounce back here a couple of

3032
02:23:34,399 --> 02:23:31,979
emails came in and I just wanted to read

3033
02:23:36,739 --> 02:23:34,409
these to you really quick one is from

3034
02:23:39,859 --> 02:23:36,749
Brad when I got to Germany in 1988 armed

3035
02:23:42,949 --> 02:23:39,869
forces radio afo IFR and intellivision

3036
02:23:45,319 --> 02:23:42,959
were seriously covering the UFOs over

3037
02:23:47,689 --> 02:23:45,329
Belgium for a couple of months they

3038
02:23:50,269 --> 02:23:47,699
talked about having scramble planes from

3039
02:23:52,909 --> 02:23:50,279
bases near NATO headquarters as well as

3040
02:23:55,550 --> 02:23:52,919
Ramstein in Germany he said I thought it

3041
02:23:57,019 --> 02:23:55,560
was pretty wild that a FRN was covering

3042
02:23:58,519 --> 02:23:57,029
it Wow

3043
02:24:01,579 --> 02:23:58,529
I'm actually surprised did you know

3044
02:24:03,619 --> 02:24:01,589
about that yeah I know I I did first of

3045
02:24:05,659 --> 02:24:03,629
all the stories of UFO the triangles

3046
02:24:07,729 --> 02:24:05,669
over Belgium made a lot of news in

3047
02:24:11,539 --> 02:24:07,739
Europe because the I think to Broward

3048
02:24:14,809 --> 02:24:11,549
the head of the Belgian Air Force a NATO

3049
02:24:16,099 --> 02:24:14,819
commander went public when he shouldn't

3050
02:24:21,139 --> 02:24:16,109
have you went public about the whole

3051
02:24:23,269 --> 02:24:21,149
story and he they were photos he we

3052
02:24:25,819 --> 02:24:23,279
actually have photos of these flying

3053
02:24:27,619 --> 02:24:25,829
triangles that the f-16s couldn't catch

3054
02:24:29,660 --> 02:24:27,629
up with are you talking about the

3055
02:24:33,350 --> 02:24:29,670
general the Air Force

3056
02:24:35,480 --> 02:24:33,360
the head of the head yeah yeah yeah he

3057
02:24:37,761 --> 02:24:35,490
was the he's had a defense overall

3058
02:24:40,011 --> 02:24:37,771
wasn't he for Belgium I think he was it

3059
02:24:42,490 --> 02:24:40,021
wasn't just the arrow he wasn't just a

3060
02:24:45,230 --> 02:24:42,500
Wing Commander right he was general yeah

3061
02:24:46,610 --> 02:24:45,240
let's see here I'm getting stuff coming

3062
02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:46,620
in left and right by the way everybody

3063
02:24:52,370 --> 02:24:50,610
this is fade to black on the dark matter

3064
02:24:54,740 --> 02:24:52,380
radio network we are talking to bill

3065
02:24:56,210 --> 02:24:54,750
burns covering everything tonight like

3066
02:24:58,970 --> 02:24:56,220
we always do we started off with the

3067
02:25:00,801 --> 02:24:58,980
Huffington Post article another malibu

3068
02:25:03,801 --> 02:25:00,811
base and now we are so we've swung

3069
02:25:09,051 --> 02:25:03,811
around to his campaign in pennsylvania

3070
02:25:10,940 --> 02:25:09,061
to JFK johnson without wood well we

3071
02:25:13,130 --> 02:25:10,950
didn't discuss Marilyn Monroe I don't

3072
02:25:14,120 --> 02:25:13,140
know how we left out Marilyn but that's

3073
02:25:16,580 --> 02:25:14,130
what we're doing tonight we're covering

3074
02:25:19,430 --> 02:25:16,590
all the subjects and I want to get to

3075
02:25:21,350 --> 02:25:19,440
this email really quick is there a

3076
02:25:25,160 --> 02:25:21,360
history this is going back to the malibu

3077
02:25:26,810 --> 02:25:25,170
base and i wanted to actually discuss

3078
02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:26,820
this a little bit further we didn't get

3079
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:28,410
a chance to open anyway is there a

3080
02:25:33,440 --> 02:25:30,690
history of UFO activity in the vicinity

3081
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:33,450
of the anomaly either current or

3082
02:25:39,380 --> 02:25:36,840
historical that would indicate its

3083
02:25:43,340 --> 02:25:39,390
presence now this is the thing bill this

3084
02:25:45,860 --> 02:25:43,350
is a really good example of people that

3085
02:25:48,140 --> 02:25:45,870
are interested in this subject that

3086
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:48,150
don't know about the past history but

3087
02:25:53,750 --> 02:25:50,730
they've certainly now been exposed to

3088
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:53,760
because of the huffington post and that

3089
02:25:57,710 --> 02:25:55,410
that they know that something is going

3090
02:26:01,520 --> 02:25:57,720
on here but they don't know about the

3091
02:26:04,310 --> 02:26:01,530
past history and and why it is such an

3092
02:26:07,790 --> 02:26:04,320
important subject to all of us but and

3093
02:26:12,290 --> 02:26:07,800
you mentioned reagan i I will say this

3094
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:12,300
before you comment I found a list and I

3095
02:26:18,230 --> 02:26:14,730
think it was compiled by Preston Dennett

3096
02:26:21,820 --> 02:26:18,240
but I actually found a list of about I'm

3097
02:26:25,340 --> 02:26:21,830
gonna take a rough guess here 250

3098
02:26:32,200 --> 02:26:25,350
eyewitness reports around Point

3099
02:26:38,660 --> 02:26:32,210
Point Dume and Point Mugu between 1965

3100
02:26:41,960 --> 02:26:38,670
to about 1995 the list it might even be

3101
02:26:42,890 --> 02:26:41,970
longer than that on and on and on and on

3102
02:26:47,961 --> 02:26:42,900
now

3103
02:26:49,041 --> 02:26:47,971
not San Diego am i clear on this not san

3104
02:26:52,461 --> 02:26:49,051
luis obispo

3105
02:26:55,581 --> 02:26:52,471
we are talking between point tomb and

3106
02:26:58,100 --> 02:26:55,591
Point Mugu the lights in and out of the

3107
02:27:00,020 --> 02:26:58,110
water in that area so yes very

3108
02:27:01,610 --> 02:27:00,030
significant and I want to throw that out

3109
02:27:03,801 --> 02:27:01,620
throw that back to you

3110
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:03,811
well I mean it is pretty said again and

3111
02:27:10,220 --> 02:27:08,250
of course we've heard reports 911 calls

3112
02:27:14,740 --> 02:27:10,230
to the law to the sheriff's station at

3113
02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:14,750
Lost Hills and the reports are

3114
02:27:22,121 --> 02:27:17,730
absolutely when you hear these 911 calls

3115
02:27:25,610 --> 02:27:22,131
they are absolutely absolutely

3116
02:27:27,831 --> 02:27:25,620
just precise in their description of

3117
02:27:30,320 --> 02:27:27,841
what this person is seeing I'm seeing a

3118
02:27:33,350 --> 02:27:30,330
UFO it's flying over here oh my god it's

3119
02:27:35,480 --> 02:27:33,360
in the water that kind of stuff and that

3120
02:27:37,791 --> 02:27:35,490
was from Justin by the way I don't know

3121
02:27:39,621 --> 02:27:37,801
where Justin is writing in from but yeah

3122
02:27:43,011 --> 02:27:39,631
Justin you have to understand this has

3123
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:43,021
been going on you can go and search it's

3124
02:27:50,081 --> 02:27:45,120
a very easy search on Google Google

3125
02:27:53,360 --> 02:27:50,091
Preston Dennett bill burns uso UFO

3126
02:27:55,551 --> 02:27:53,370
Southern California and all of that

3127
02:27:58,100 --> 02:27:55,561
research I'm sure your documentaries

3128
02:28:00,650 --> 02:27:58,110
bill are probably available on YouTube

3129
02:28:02,331 --> 02:28:00,660
now oh yeah your folks can find it in

3130
02:28:05,360 --> 02:28:02,341
fact you know the other big thing of

3131
02:28:07,490 --> 02:28:05,370
course is the Kelly Johnson sighting

3132
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:07,500
from Pacific Palisades out over the

3133
02:28:12,261 --> 02:28:10,530
ocean he sees this strange craft and

3134
02:28:14,631 --> 02:28:12,271
this is in the area of Point Mugu and

3135
02:28:19,220 --> 02:28:14,641
Point Dume he looks at me sees this

3136
02:28:21,950 --> 02:28:19,230
craft he has a test plane Lockheed test

3137
02:28:25,160 --> 02:28:21,960
plane out out over the Pacific he calls

3138
02:28:27,831 --> 02:28:25,170
them they have a visual sighting of this

3139
02:28:30,140 --> 02:28:27,841
thing and Kelly Johnson and the crew on

3140
02:28:31,910 --> 02:28:30,150
this plane or are describing its

3141
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:31,920
movements to each other and it's the

3142
02:28:36,501 --> 02:28:33,690
same object cuz it's moving the same way

3143
02:28:40,280 --> 02:28:36,511
that object became the basis for the

3144
02:28:43,390 --> 02:28:40,290
sr-71 somebody just tweeted right now he

3145
02:28:46,341 --> 02:28:43,400
said if you wanted to buy a newer used

3146
02:28:50,421 --> 02:28:46,351
777 and you had cash in hand you could

3147
02:28:53,211 --> 02:28:50,431
find it you could find the plane EDA I

3148
02:28:56,660 --> 02:28:53,221
kind of agree with that actually it's a

3149
02:28:59,390 --> 02:28:56,670
it's a weird world out there if you're

3150
02:29:01,070 --> 02:28:59,400
smuggler and you need you need something

3151
02:29:02,900 --> 02:29:01,080
and you've got cash you can find

3152
02:29:07,250 --> 02:29:02,910
somebody to sell it to you right just

3153
02:29:09,969 --> 02:29:07,260
think about the people in India or in

3154
02:29:14,750 --> 02:29:09,979
Israel dealing with a plane coming in

3155
02:29:17,450 --> 02:29:14,760
that is posing as their national airline

3156
02:29:19,880 --> 02:29:17,460
and you don't know what it is what do

3157
02:29:21,560 --> 02:29:19,890
you do yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely

3158
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:21,570
hey somebody just tweeted bill I think

3159
02:29:26,030 --> 02:29:24,000
we should do this somebody just tweeted

3160
02:29:28,969 --> 02:29:26,040
I would love to sit down at a coffee

3161
02:29:31,460 --> 02:29:28,979
shop with Jimmy and bill that should be

3162
02:29:32,630 --> 02:29:31,470
the next contest what you should do that

3163
02:29:35,960 --> 02:29:32,640
yeah well do that

3164
02:29:39,530 --> 02:29:35,970
don't be cool I would do that but back

3165
02:29:43,219 --> 02:29:39,540
to back to mh370 I this is this is my

3166
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:43,229
take and and although I totally and the

3167
02:29:48,890 --> 02:29:45,210
puppy shop would be Joanie's in Marina

3168
02:29:52,130 --> 02:29:48,900
del Rey on on on Washington Boulevard

3169
02:29:55,460 --> 02:29:52,140
Joanie's rocks there's another one

3170
02:29:57,410 --> 02:29:55,470
Joanie's rocks and there's another one

3171
02:30:00,170 --> 02:29:57,420
well you know what you can't forget

3172
02:30:03,500 --> 02:30:00,180
about I hate to say this but I love Mels

3173
02:30:05,540 --> 02:30:03,510
on Lincoln I love no yeah Mel's on

3174
02:30:11,480 --> 02:30:05,550
Lincoln and then next door to Mel's

3175
02:30:15,230 --> 02:30:11,490
there's the Caribbean place that has got

3176
02:30:16,580 --> 02:30:15,240
the the Cuban coffee shots I can't

3177
02:30:18,380 --> 02:30:16,590
remember the name of it but it's like a

3178
02:30:21,440 --> 02:30:18,390
block away from Mel's right up the

3179
02:30:24,830 --> 02:30:21,450
street we lived in one of the places we

3180
02:30:27,260 --> 02:30:24,840
lived was on no WIDA one of the Venice

3181
02:30:28,910 --> 02:30:27,270
walk streets yes and so you could

3182
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:28,920
actually I mean I would get up in the

3183
02:30:32,530 --> 02:30:30,210
morning because I would be dealing with

3184
02:30:35,770 --> 02:30:32,540
New York still I mean like you're safe

3185
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:35,780
you're on the phone it's like 5:36

3186
02:30:41,750 --> 02:30:39,170
dealing with New York you deal with them

3187
02:30:44,030 --> 02:30:41,760
make your early morning phone calls

3188
02:30:47,540 --> 02:30:44,040
getting them in early then you'd walk

3189
02:30:51,410 --> 02:30:47,550
over the mails just indulge yourself on

3190
02:30:54,200 --> 02:30:51,420
pancakes walk back home and continue

3191
02:30:56,090 --> 02:30:54,210
with your day in LA I seriously thought

3192
02:30:57,980 --> 02:30:56,100
I remember the first time that I went to

3193
02:31:01,700 --> 02:30:57,990
Mel's and it smells driving everybody

3194
02:31:05,690 --> 02:31:01,710
and if you've ever seen our yeah there

3195
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:05,700
you go you've seen it or American

3196
02:31:10,700 --> 02:31:08,250
Graffiti right you go but anyway Mel's

3197
02:31:13,610 --> 02:31:10,710
driving when I first went

3198
02:31:17,630 --> 02:31:13,620
in the mid-80s I'm gonna say he was like

3199
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:17,640
85 86 and I went in there I thought that

3200
02:31:21,980 --> 02:31:20,250
I was literally in the coolest place at

3201
02:31:25,700 --> 02:31:21,990
the center of the known universe

3202
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:25,710
I mean seriously Mel's is just it's it's

3203
02:31:29,630 --> 02:31:27,690
got a place in my heart if you ever get

3204
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:29,640
to Southern California so maybe we

3205
02:31:34,370 --> 02:31:31,530
should be build the next time you come

3206
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:34,380
out we'll plan we'll do a little contest

3207
02:31:38,719 --> 02:31:36,090
I'll do that for anybody that lives in

3208
02:31:40,580 --> 02:31:38,729
LA will go and throw a little contest

3209
02:31:43,310 --> 02:31:40,590
and we'll go out we'll talk we'll talk

3210
02:31:44,780 --> 02:31:43,320
some paranormal and some UFOs with one

3211
02:31:46,040 --> 02:31:44,790
of the listeners here right we can do

3212
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:46,050
that that's the winner I would

3213
02:31:51,020 --> 02:31:49,770
absolutely do it okay now well that's is

3214
02:31:52,940 --> 02:31:51,030
there anything else you want to cover

3215
02:31:56,690 --> 02:31:52,950
tonight or the first Bob's Big Boy

3216
02:31:59,300 --> 02:31:56,700
up in Toluca Lake oh you know what that

3217
02:32:00,800 --> 02:31:59,310
one that's a winner too and you know

3218
02:32:04,370 --> 02:32:00,810
what it's still there they've been

3219
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:04,380
closing the Bob's down all I know I know

3220
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:07,410
in fact what what's historic to me about

3221
02:32:15,469 --> 02:32:10,800
that Bob's Bob's Big Boy up there is

3222
02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:15,479
that it was where Ethan Phillips neelix

3223
02:32:18,830 --> 02:32:16,290
on Star Trek

3224
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:18,840
right and I shook hands on doing the

3225
02:32:22,120 --> 02:32:21,210
Star Trek cookbook which came out a

3226
02:32:25,340 --> 02:32:22,130
couple of years later

3227
02:32:29,240 --> 02:32:25,350
well even bought a big boy that Bob's

3228
02:32:31,550 --> 02:32:29,250
Big Boy in Toluca Lake if you go there

3229
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:31,560
on a Sunday morning Saturday morning too

3230
02:32:38,300 --> 02:32:33,770
but if you go there on a Sunday morning

3231
02:32:40,400 --> 02:32:38,310
ten o'clock you will see just about

3232
02:32:42,050 --> 02:32:40,410
anybody that you wanted to ever meet in

3233
02:32:44,750 --> 02:32:42,060
your life come in there and have

3234
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:44,760
breakfast fabulous I mean you know it

3235
02:32:49,820 --> 02:32:46,560
doesn't matter if it's I don't care

3236
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:49,830
George Lopez or you know because that

3237
02:32:55,250 --> 02:32:51,450
neighborhood right there right across

3238
02:32:58,010 --> 02:32:55,260
the street walking distance to every

3239
02:33:00,640 --> 02:32:58,020
major stars home but it's like one of

3240
02:33:02,810 --> 02:33:00,650
the coolest places to go to to go in and

3241
02:33:05,360 --> 02:33:02,820
stargaze right and it's around the

3242
02:33:08,990 --> 02:33:05,370
corner of from NBC down the street from

3243
02:33:10,610 --> 02:33:09,000
from on Disney Studios Warner Bros right

3244
02:33:13,670 --> 02:33:10,620
you Warner Brothers is right there on

3245
02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:13,680
Barham yep it's in the his talked about

3246
02:33:18,050 --> 02:33:15,450
the center of the known universe that

3247
02:33:20,780 --> 02:33:18,060
bottle big boy and I heard I heard that

3248
02:33:23,690 --> 02:33:20,790
that and I drove by it the other day and

3249
02:33:24,410 --> 02:33:23,700
I didn't see it I heard the the Bob's

3250
02:33:27,980 --> 02:33:24,420
big

3251
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:27,990
boy statue was gone well yeah yeah you

3252
02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:30,090
might check that out so I heard that and

3253
02:33:33,320 --> 02:33:32,010
I was out there the other day with my

3254
02:33:36,260 --> 02:33:33,330
brothers they were in from out of town

3255
02:33:40,660 --> 02:33:36,270
and we drove by there and I looked and I

3256
02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:40,670
didn't see the Bob's Big Boy statue I

3257
02:33:45,130 --> 02:33:43,050
would go out I would go out for that

3258
02:33:49,790 --> 02:33:45,140
reason alone to find out where it is I

3259
02:33:51,080 --> 02:33:49,800
would buy one but again you know I'm

3260
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:51,090
gonna open up the phone lines really

3261
02:33:56,840 --> 02:33:52,890
quick before I let Bill go I'll let one

3262
02:34:00,290 --> 02:33:56,850
phone call come in three two three eight

3263
02:34:02,030 --> 02:34:00,300
to five fifty forty five and so here we

3264
02:34:06,740 --> 02:34:02,040
go here the tweet smells is the bomb

3265
02:34:10,130 --> 02:34:06,750
Mel's is the bomb I live in Vegas

3266
02:34:11,540 --> 02:34:10,140
I'll Drive to LA for coffee and whoo

3267
02:34:13,550 --> 02:34:11,550
yeah absolutely

3268
02:34:17,530 --> 02:34:13,560
what's going on this week on your show I

3269
02:34:20,300 --> 02:34:17,540
will drive to Vegas on offered a big

3270
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:20,310
baked potato place at McCarran which I

3271
02:34:25,600 --> 02:34:22,650
couldn't find cuz when I was out doing

3272
02:34:28,910 --> 02:34:25,610
it that sci-fi show with Joe Rogan I

3273
02:34:32,660 --> 02:34:28,920
landed in McCarran and then they switch

3274
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:32,670
my flight to Burbank Airport and I was

3275
02:34:36,679 --> 02:34:35,130
all set to enjoy that great steak

3276
02:34:40,310 --> 02:34:36,689
experience or whatever that's called at

3277
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:40,320
McCarran um right now see who was our

3278
02:34:46,730 --> 02:34:43,530
guest Nancy knows the guests I don't owe

3279
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:46,740
it said james gilliland okay right right

3280
02:34:52,670 --> 02:34:48,810
right right he is our guest on future

3281
02:34:55,969 --> 02:34:52,680
theater it will be at 7 o'clock Eastern

3282
02:35:00,260 --> 02:34:55,979
Time 4 o'clock Pacific time this Monday

3283
02:35:01,850 --> 02:35:00,270
then the following week I think the

3284
02:35:04,900 --> 02:35:01,860
powers that be told me we're switching

3285
02:35:08,090 --> 02:35:04,910
from 7:00 to 9:00 to 8:00 to 10:00 and

3286
02:35:10,340 --> 02:35:08,100
so we're we are lining up guests for the

3287
02:35:12,860 --> 02:35:10,350
future I'm talking to a few people but

3288
02:35:15,950 --> 02:35:12,870
I've always wanted to go up to James's

3289
02:35:18,170 --> 02:35:15,960
pad and and just hang out a call just

3290
02:35:20,420 --> 02:35:18,180
came in so let's just grab this really

3291
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:20,430
quick okay last one of the night who's

3292
02:35:24,650 --> 02:35:22,890
calling where you calling from hey hey

3293
02:35:25,219 --> 02:35:24,660
Jimmy it's Joe Bookman and perk City

3294
02:35:29,420 --> 02:35:25,229
Utah

3295
02:35:31,070 --> 02:35:29,430
Joe Bookman say hi to Bill hey Joe I

3296
02:35:34,219 --> 02:35:31,080
haven't seen you since you interviewed

3297
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:34,229
me out in the in the shoreline of the

3298
02:35:38,270 --> 02:35:36,240
Great Salt Lake for UFO Hunters

3299
02:35:42,890 --> 02:35:38,280
backelite I remember that

3300
02:35:44,421 --> 02:35:42,900
very well how you doing - great

3301
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:44,431
we had talked back then about you

3302
02:35:48,620 --> 02:35:46,080
running for Congress I heard you talking

3303
02:35:52,430 --> 02:35:48,630
about running for state assemblyman I am

3304
02:35:55,761 --> 02:35:52,440
just curious I little plans well you

3305
02:35:59,001 --> 02:35:55,771
know I I've got so many issues in pencil

3306
02:36:02,751 --> 02:35:59,011
but well anywhere I mean my big issue is

3307
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:02,761
that it really is Medicaid expansion in

3308
02:36:10,490 --> 02:36:06,650
this state and they were just being very

3309
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:10,500
Scrooge like about all well you know we

3310
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:12,090
don't want to give anybody anything and

3311
02:36:15,501 --> 02:36:13,290
so we're not going to do Medicaid

3312
02:36:17,180 --> 02:36:15,511
expansion and Pennsylvania is one of the

3313
02:36:19,580 --> 02:36:17,190
states where you've got this huge

3314
02:36:21,770 --> 02:36:19,590
population of people who really need

3315
02:36:25,610 --> 02:36:21,780
that Medicare expansion does and and

3316
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:25,620
it's like imagine you're turning it it's

3317
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:27,660
taxpayer dollars these are not three

3318
02:36:32,841 --> 02:36:29,370
dollars these are not things that kind

3319
02:36:35,360 --> 02:36:32,851
of float in the air you pay taxes to the

3320
02:36:38,421 --> 02:36:35,370
federal government and it comes back to

3321
02:36:39,921 --> 02:36:38,431
you in a variety of services maybe you

3322
02:36:43,341 --> 02:36:39,931
don't want the services but in this

3323
02:36:45,530 --> 02:36:43,351
particular case in Medicaid expansion

3324
02:36:48,350 --> 02:36:45,540
what you're doing is these are your tax

3325
02:36:50,690 --> 02:36:48,360
dollars that go out of your paycheck

3326
02:36:54,530 --> 02:36:50,700
every couple weeks every month every

3327
02:36:56,270 --> 02:36:54,540
couple of weeks now here's a chance to

3328
02:37:00,560 --> 02:36:56,280
get some of that tax money back to

3329
02:37:02,631 --> 02:37:00,570
Pennsylvania going to Medicaid for

3330
02:37:04,310 --> 02:37:02,641
people who really need the health care

3331
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,320
so they don't become a burden on the

3332
02:37:09,080 --> 02:37:06,960
state in emergency rooms they don't pay

3333
02:37:11,180 --> 02:37:09,090
their bills and I mean it's perfectly

3334
02:37:12,680 --> 02:37:11,190
normal and natural and its really is a

3335
02:37:15,560 --> 02:37:12,690
good idea to get some of that tax money

3336
02:37:18,740 --> 02:37:15,570
back into the state and the legislature

3337
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:18,750
won't won't vote for it so that's one of

3338
02:37:23,511 --> 02:37:20,250
the reasons that I wanted run but I said

3339
02:37:28,160 --> 02:37:23,521
the Democratic Party never got back to

3340
02:37:30,171 --> 02:37:28,170
me I suppose that it is somebody said oh

3341
02:37:32,990 --> 02:37:30,181
I that guy with the sunglasses Union

3342
02:37:34,820 --> 02:37:33,000
want that guy running yeah what would

3343
02:37:37,970 --> 02:37:34,830
you have called for any kind of

3344
02:37:40,400 --> 02:37:37,980
congressional hearings or whistleblower

3345
02:37:42,740 --> 02:37:40,410
protection or anything related to the

3346
02:37:44,421 --> 02:37:42,750
the UFO et issue or was that going to be

3347
02:37:48,980 --> 02:37:44,431
the whole circles well what I would do

3348
02:37:51,920 --> 02:37:48,990
if I wound up in Congress what I would

3349
02:37:55,929 --> 02:37:51,930
do is I would not do what Steve shift

3350
02:38:01,179 --> 02:37:55,939
and go public with this any one case or

3351
02:38:03,409 --> 02:38:01,189
another case you find where you can get

3352
02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:03,419
do the most good get the most

3353
02:38:08,659 --> 02:38:05,760
information make those kinds of

3354
02:38:11,630 --> 02:38:08,669
connections and basically see what you

3355
02:38:13,670 --> 02:38:11,640
can learn I mean we learned a lot on UFO

3356
02:38:17,120 --> 02:38:13,680
Hunters I mean we learned a lot of

3357
02:38:20,300 --> 02:38:17,130
Dugway we had the anecdotal reports of

3358
02:38:22,639 --> 02:38:20,310
the cattle mutilations at Dugway you

3359
02:38:25,639 --> 02:38:22,649
know why the base expanded you drive

3360
02:38:29,689 --> 02:38:25,649
down and see all the biological weapon

3361
02:38:32,210 --> 02:38:29,699
sensors in the air why the people are

3362
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:32,220
amenable to it when we approached up

3363
02:38:37,489 --> 02:38:33,600
when we were on Bureau of Land

3364
02:38:40,340 --> 02:38:37,499
Management land when the base police

3365
02:38:42,830 --> 02:38:40,350
came up demanded the cameras demanded

3366
02:38:44,750 --> 02:38:42,840
the video demanded everything we showed

3367
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:44,760
them our filming permits from the Bureau

3368
02:38:51,559 --> 02:38:48,090
of Land Management and in the

3369
02:38:53,300 --> 02:38:51,569
discussions in these very antagonistic

3370
02:38:55,609 --> 02:38:53,310
discussions we were in the right we were

3371
02:38:56,870 --> 02:38:55,619
not on the base we weren't going to give

3372
02:38:59,149 --> 02:38:56,880
him the cameras we were not going to

3373
02:39:00,920 --> 02:38:59,159
point him at the base we finally got the

3374
02:39:03,739 --> 02:39:00,930
base public information officer when

3375
02:39:06,559 --> 02:39:03,749
Dugway this very nice little person came

3376
02:39:08,840 --> 02:39:06,569
out and basically blew the whole top of

3377
02:39:10,090 --> 02:39:08,850
like all the contractors at Dugway all

3378
02:39:12,859 --> 02:39:10,100
the people all the different military

3379
02:39:15,710 --> 02:39:12,869
organizations so you put that together

3380
02:39:18,529 --> 02:39:15,720
and and you have really a great story

3381
02:39:23,599 --> 02:39:18,539
about what's going on at Dugway about

3382
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:23,609
area 52 and so yeah that's the answer to

3383
02:39:28,340 --> 02:39:25,770
that well hunters been released on DVD

3384
02:39:31,040 --> 02:39:28,350
or oh yeah it has been all three seasons

3385
02:39:33,409 --> 02:39:31,050
of been released now yeah you can get

3386
02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:33,419
them on the History Channel website okay

3387
02:39:37,909 --> 02:39:35,850
hey Joe I've got another call coming in

3388
02:39:42,559 --> 02:39:37,919
can I grab this real quick and say hey

3389
02:39:50,960 --> 02:39:42,569
can we thank thank you okay thanks Joe

3390
02:39:54,170 --> 02:39:50,970
all the best man all right I think who

3391
02:39:56,750 --> 02:39:54,180
was calling in was uh well let's see if

3392
02:39:59,420 --> 02:39:56,760
it if it lights up one more time it's

3393
02:40:03,469 --> 02:39:59,430
yeah it's a space boy space boy let's go

3394
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:03,479
you've got two minutes he's uh the he's

3395
02:40:08,211 --> 02:40:04,570
the guy that wrote

3396
02:40:11,820 --> 02:40:08,221
wrote our intro music for the show and

3397
02:40:14,520 --> 02:40:11,830
so everybody's been begging him to call

3398
02:40:16,711 --> 02:40:14,530
in on the show tonight and speak to you

3399
02:40:18,301 --> 02:40:16,721
so alright it's baseball you've got a

3400
02:40:19,620 --> 02:40:18,311
couple more minutes before I hang up

3401
02:40:23,400 --> 02:40:19,630
with Bill

3402
02:40:25,860 --> 02:40:23,410
yeah Joe Joe I gotta say this we had Joe

3403
02:40:28,711 --> 02:40:25,870
on the show a couple of weeks ago and

3404
02:40:33,211 --> 02:40:28,721
actually with Lee Spiegel as a matter of

3405
02:40:36,150 --> 02:40:33,221
fact it was a great show but but Joe Joe

3406
02:40:38,520 --> 02:40:36,160
knows a lot about a lot and it was like

3407
02:40:42,631 --> 02:40:38,530
I've never had he's kind of like you

3408
02:40:44,761 --> 02:40:42,641
bill in a weird way that he he has been

3409
02:40:47,640 --> 02:40:44,771
around the block anyway we've got we've

3410
02:40:54,360 --> 02:40:47,650
got him right now space boys on the line

3411
02:40:57,320 --> 02:40:54,370
with us how you doing man hey at that

3412
02:41:00,660 --> 02:40:57,330
point it was that pointed at me or bill

3413
02:41:03,390 --> 02:41:00,670
well both of y'all I mean with Bill hey

3414
02:41:05,310 --> 02:41:03,400
Bill are you doing here please but I

3415
02:41:08,610 --> 02:41:05,320
just want to say well it's great to

3416
02:41:11,041 --> 02:41:08,620
always listen to you talk an hour two

3417
02:41:14,970 --> 02:41:11,051
hours three hours it goes so quick I

3418
02:41:16,591 --> 02:41:14,980
love you in UFO Hunters but anytime

3419
02:41:18,751 --> 02:41:16,601
you're on especially when you're on the

3420
02:41:20,400 --> 02:41:18,761
Dark Matter radio network it's always

3421
02:41:21,390 --> 02:41:20,410
the treat to hear from you oh great

3422
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:21,400
thank you

3423
02:41:25,921 --> 02:41:24,250
yeah no problem and Jimmy I can't say

3424
02:41:29,570 --> 02:41:25,931
enough about how much I love the show

3425
02:41:33,240 --> 02:41:29,580
you know I'm nuber fan here so you know

3426
02:41:35,400 --> 02:41:33,250
you know the thing is build space boys

3427
02:41:37,890 --> 02:41:35,410
been with us since like show number one

3428
02:41:40,381 --> 02:41:37,900
it's going on a year now I can't believe

3429
02:41:43,950 --> 02:41:40,391
it it's it's it's it's passed us by so

3430
02:41:45,780 --> 02:41:43,960
quickly but so with that space board

3431
02:41:47,970 --> 02:41:45,790
thank you for calling in but I know this

3432
02:41:51,091 --> 02:41:47,980
is your chance well what have you got

3433
02:41:54,360 --> 02:41:51,101
for Bill well I didn't really have much

3434
02:41:56,400 --> 02:41:54,370
I mean what's been says and said you

3435
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:56,410
know I'll just keep listening and I look

3436
02:42:01,261 --> 02:41:58,000
forward to hearing you on the darknet

3437
02:42:03,930 --> 02:42:01,271
radio and this shout out to all my sweet

3438
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:03,940
buds out there there you go and thank

3439
02:42:09,511 --> 02:42:06,210
you space boy

3440
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:09,521
amen hey thank you for everything that

3441
02:42:13,711 --> 02:42:11,200
you have done for this show and I've

3442
02:42:16,711 --> 02:42:13,721
said it a million times but it's

3443
02:42:18,310 --> 02:42:16,721
humbling and I'm honored and and again

3444
02:42:21,250 --> 02:42:18,320
thank you very much and

3445
02:42:23,500 --> 02:42:21,260
the music's been great and and and what

3446
02:42:25,360 --> 02:42:23,510
you have done and the following that you

3447
02:42:28,180 --> 02:42:25,370
have created for this show is just

3448
02:42:29,860 --> 02:42:28,190
absolutely incredible and it's a

3449
02:42:32,050 --> 02:42:29,870
humbling thing so thank you space boy

3450
02:42:35,380 --> 02:42:32,060
and everybody out there and tweet land

3451
02:42:35,710 --> 02:42:35,390
I'm looking I'm looking right now there

3452
02:42:39,550 --> 02:42:35,720
he is

3453
02:42:40,420 --> 02:42:39,560
so hey thank you and thank you and we'll

3454
02:42:44,470 --> 02:42:40,430
see you tomorrow night

3455
02:42:47,680 --> 02:42:44,480
thank you space boy Olie right on you

3456
02:42:50,110 --> 02:42:47,690
know and the the one thing though bill

3457
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:50,120
is I just think that with this with this

3458
02:42:57,761 --> 02:42:52,880
Huffington Post and the mainstream media

3459
02:42:59,920 --> 02:42:57,771
I just my view and I am gonna ask you

3460
02:43:04,840 --> 02:42:59,930
this question before you go should I

3461
02:43:08,520 --> 02:43:04,850
just sit on my hands and let things go

3462
02:43:12,490 --> 02:43:08,530
where they go I don't want to look like

3463
02:43:15,730 --> 02:43:12,500
you know that I'm doing this for me

3464
02:43:17,740 --> 02:43:15,740
because I'm not you know so what what's

3465
02:43:20,230 --> 02:43:17,750
what's the tak that I take what's the

3466
02:43:23,290 --> 02:43:20,240
advice that you can give my advice would

3467
02:43:25,630 --> 02:43:23,300
be if this thing heats up in the media

3468
02:43:28,780 --> 02:43:25,640
take the questions and just say look

3469
02:43:31,390 --> 02:43:28,790
this nobody is screaming that aliens are

3470
02:43:33,550 --> 02:43:31,400
coming out of the earth or the word that

3471
02:43:35,080 --> 02:43:33,560
there's a flying saucer base abducting

3472
02:43:36,400 --> 02:43:35,090
human children and taking him down to

3473
02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:36,410
the bottom of the sea that's not

3474
02:43:42,460 --> 02:43:39,290
happening all I pointed out was there

3475
02:43:44,980 --> 02:43:42,470
was a strange-looking anomaly I call it

3476
02:43:48,400 --> 02:43:44,990
an anomaly because it looks anomalous to

3477
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:48,410
me on the Pacific coast in a very very

3478
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:52,250
classified highly sensitive area of

3479
02:43:57,820 --> 02:43:55,610
naval bases and I began to wonder are

3480
02:44:00,490 --> 02:43:57,830
these tunnels they look like tunnels are

3481
02:44:03,490 --> 02:44:00,500
they tunnels are they tunnels for

3482
02:44:04,511 --> 02:44:03,500
submarines are they tunnels for us oh I

3483
02:44:07,150 --> 02:44:04,521
don't know what they are but they look

3484
02:44:09,490 --> 02:44:07,160
different from every other aspect of

3485
02:44:13,060 --> 02:44:09,500
that edge of the continental shelf and

3486
02:44:15,970 --> 02:44:13,070
there are 2,000 feet down and I know we

3487
02:44:18,310 --> 02:44:15,980
have the equipment that can drill at

3488
02:44:20,860 --> 02:44:18,320
that depth we've had it since the 1950s

3489
02:44:24,460 --> 02:44:20,870
my question is are these the openings in

3490
02:44:27,340 --> 02:44:24,470
the continent for submarine tunnels I

3491
02:44:29,530 --> 02:44:27,350
don't know what would just go on and on

3492
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:29,540
about that you know the more technical

3493
02:44:37,740 --> 02:44:31,359
you get

3494
02:44:41,160 --> 02:44:37,750
the more they take you seriously so okay

3495
02:44:43,230 --> 02:44:41,170
but I'm not okay what are you really

3496
02:44:47,219 --> 02:44:43,240
trying to say though what I'm really

3497
02:44:49,260 --> 02:44:47,229
trying to say is that in the instance

3498
02:44:50,940 --> 02:44:49,270
that the media contacts you and and and

3499
02:44:53,790 --> 02:44:50,950
and you were held up as a point of

3500
02:44:56,130 --> 02:44:53,800
ridicule as the radio guy who talked

3501
02:44:58,950 --> 02:44:56,140
about UFOs on the air when these were

3502
02:45:01,770 --> 02:44:58,960
simply natural occurrences you you

3503
02:45:04,800 --> 02:45:01,780
respond with facts you don't respond

3504
02:45:07,550 --> 02:45:04,810
with denials you respond with questions

3505
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:07,560
and the questions are all scientific

3506
02:45:12,900 --> 02:45:10,090
yeah I know that's what they said and

3507
02:45:14,460 --> 02:45:12,910
that's possibly quite true but you look

3508
02:45:16,260 --> 02:45:14,470
at this thing and you really can't deny

3509
02:45:18,450 --> 02:45:16,270
what's looking you at the face these

3510
02:45:20,760 --> 02:45:18,460
look like columns these look like

3511
02:45:22,650 --> 02:45:20,770
tunnels if they're tunnels what are they

3512
02:45:24,780 --> 02:45:22,660
there for I mean you just follow that

3513
02:45:28,020 --> 02:45:24,790
line of reasoning there's no objection

3514
02:45:32,070 --> 02:45:28,030
to that I think I think the the best way

3515
02:45:35,460 --> 02:45:32,080
to go and in response to that is just to

3516
02:45:38,969 --> 02:45:35,470
say that you know what I nobody knows

3517
02:45:41,219 --> 02:45:38,979
and and I'm not taking anything away

3518
02:45:45,679 --> 02:45:41,229
from the usgs and i'm certainly not

3519
02:45:49,170 --> 02:45:45,689
taking anything away from any other

3520
02:45:52,380 --> 02:45:49,180
specialty guy that's out there but they

3521
02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:52,390
haven't been there they haven't they

3522
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:54,970
don't know their their opinion of what

3523
02:46:00,929 --> 02:45:57,520
is there is a best guess

3524
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:00,939
just like my my opinion or anybody

3525
02:46:06,570 --> 02:46:03,850
else's you have to store it you have to

3526
02:46:11,099 --> 02:46:06,580
start from the premise of saying what's

3527
02:46:13,260 --> 02:46:11,109
this article about you start there okay

3528
02:46:14,910 --> 02:46:13,270
and you look at okay fine so what at

3529
02:46:17,700 --> 02:46:14,920
least Spiegel's say what at least

3530
02:46:18,900 --> 02:46:17,710
spiegel do Lee did something which is

3531
02:46:22,280 --> 02:46:18,910
very traditional

3532
02:46:25,770 --> 02:46:22,290
he took an argument a suggestion a

3533
02:46:29,820 --> 02:46:25,780
speculation that seemed out there that

3534
02:46:32,610 --> 02:46:29,830
seemed weird checked it out with people

3535
02:46:37,290 --> 02:46:32,620
he considered reputable scientists about

3536
02:46:42,360 --> 02:46:37,300
this area and then used the report used

3537
02:46:44,790 --> 02:46:42,370
the story on on on fade to black as a

3538
02:46:50,910 --> 02:46:44,800
way to point out

3539
02:46:53,250 --> 02:46:50,920
what UFO true believers say about things

3540
02:46:55,500 --> 02:46:53,260
without really doing homework and

3541
02:46:58,080 --> 02:46:55,510
checking now that's not what you did but

3542
02:47:00,059 --> 02:46:58,090
that is very typical of how UFO stories

3543
02:47:03,330 --> 02:47:00,069
are handled in the media when they're

3544
02:47:04,729 --> 02:47:03,340
being criticized mm-hmm we even do it

3545
02:47:07,849 --> 02:47:04,739
ourselves

3546
02:47:10,649 --> 02:47:07,859
mm-hmm mm-hmm

3547
02:47:15,059 --> 02:47:10,659
duly noted and I wrote it all down

3548
02:47:17,639 --> 02:47:15,069
good thank you bill I um chol bill you

3549
02:47:21,590 --> 02:47:17,649
know I go to you for advice okay

3550
02:47:24,090 --> 02:47:21,600
hey a great time another great show and

3551
02:47:25,920 --> 02:47:24,100
again I can't thank you enough and I

3552
02:47:29,130 --> 02:47:25,930
love reaching out to you and I you

3553
02:47:31,500 --> 02:47:29,140
coming on this show is always fun and I

3554
02:47:33,330 --> 02:47:31,510
don't know what to expect and I think

3555
02:47:35,550 --> 02:47:33,340
that is what it's all about and that's

3556
02:47:37,380 --> 02:47:35,560
great radio okay folks join me on future

3557
02:47:41,790 --> 02:47:37,390
theater Monday night seven o'clock Nancy

3558
02:47:43,229 --> 02:47:41,800
and I were there for you okay all right

3559
02:47:45,149 --> 02:47:43,239
bill you have a great night and I'll

3560
02:47:50,639 --> 02:47:45,159
talk to you over the weekend bye-bye

3561
02:47:52,859 --> 02:47:50,649
give my best to Nancy bill birnes live

3562
02:47:57,840 --> 02:47:52,869
on the air thank you bill

3563
02:48:00,719 --> 02:47:57,850
great show space boy in the house Wow

3564
02:48:04,319 --> 02:48:00,729
and let's see here who called in tonight

3565
02:48:08,040 --> 02:48:04,329
Dean Oh Joe Bookman called in tonight

3566
02:48:10,800 --> 02:48:08,050
Michael Anderson Brad beining thank you

3567
02:48:14,370 --> 02:48:10,810
guys we'll get those DVDs out to you

3568
02:48:17,519 --> 02:48:14,380
real soon with that if you will let me I

3569
02:48:19,319 --> 02:48:17,529
am going to take a quick break and take

3570
02:48:21,059 --> 02:48:19,329
a breather and I will be back right

3571
02:48:23,340 --> 02:48:21,069
after this this is fade to black

3572
02:48:26,899 --> 02:48:23,350
on the dark matter radio network bill

3573
02:48:30,179 --> 02:48:26,909
burns what a show tonight

3574
02:48:30,719 --> 02:48:30,189
you got to love that TweetDeck keep it

3575
02:48:32,819 --> 02:48:30,729
coming

3576
02:48:34,620 --> 02:48:32,829
email is Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio

3577
02:48:37,649 --> 02:48:34,630
calm follow us on twitter at a church

3578
02:48:40,319 --> 02:48:37,659
radio this is fade to black on the dark

3579
02:48:41,030 --> 02:48:40,329
matter radio network don't touch that

3580
02:48:51,239 --> 02:48:41,040
Mound

3581
02:48:53,889 --> 02:48:51,249
[Music]

3582
02:48:58,059 --> 02:48:53,899
La Crescenta and I listen to Jimmy

3583
02:49:03,309 --> 02:48:58,069
Church radio Jimmy Church my name is

3584
02:49:06,719 --> 02:49:03,319
Allen Elizabeth chimichurri co.com he's

3585
02:49:11,979 --> 02:49:06,729
always giving it to you straight

3586
02:49:13,959 --> 02:49:11,989
on the dark matter radio network hi this

3587
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:13,969
is Rob Reiner from anvil and you're

3588
02:49:24,170 --> 02:49:21,760
combat and we listen in the Jimmy church

3589
02:49:28,830 --> 02:49:24,180
radio

3590
02:49:28,840 --> 02:49:35,500
[Applause]

3591
02:49:45,929 --> 02:49:43,779
oh yeah you're welcome space boy you

3592
02:49:52,599 --> 02:49:45,939
don't have to thank me come on man

3593
02:49:53,349 --> 02:49:52,609
part of the family brother I ran out of

3594
02:49:57,040 --> 02:49:53,359
coffee

3595
02:49:59,260 --> 02:49:57,050
that's what bill burns did to me man I I

3596
02:50:03,510 --> 02:49:59,270
ran out of Starbucks and I gotta tell

3597
02:50:06,399 --> 02:50:03,520
you right now I have the largest mug

3598
02:50:10,989 --> 02:50:06,409
known to man in the known universe

3599
02:50:17,529 --> 02:50:10,999
it is huge I ran out all right we're

3600
02:50:23,500 --> 02:50:17,539
space boys DVD oh he's got to do is ask

3601
02:50:27,130 --> 02:50:23,510
for it let's send him space boy seems

3602
02:50:30,250 --> 02:50:27,140
like let's do uh you know Paul Stonehill

3603
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:30,260
there you go all right Leslie see there

3604
02:50:33,069 --> 02:50:30,770
you go

3605
02:50:36,639 --> 02:50:33,079
Michael Anderson says I'm getting free

3606
02:50:39,330 --> 02:50:36,649
swag I love this show I love everybody

3607
02:50:42,160 --> 02:50:39,340
that listens it is it is truly humbling

3608
02:50:45,250 --> 02:50:42,170
let's see here Rick Senate just said I'm

3609
02:50:48,969 --> 02:50:45,260
so glad you kids actually behaved so I

3610
02:50:53,189 --> 02:50:48,979
could listen live for once hey you know

3611
02:50:58,960 --> 02:50:53,199
what I just want to say really quick the

3612
02:51:01,029 --> 02:50:58,970
the TweetDeck is like the coolest thing

3613
02:51:04,450 --> 02:51:01,039
I have ever seen

3614
02:51:08,050 --> 02:51:04,460
Oh Oh or use this is this is good stuff

3615
02:51:11,859 --> 02:51:08,060
and this is done by Twitter Brad Kelly

3616
02:51:18,939 --> 02:51:11,869
says I want a DVD I'm open to what's

3617
02:51:20,679 --> 02:51:18,949
left Brad you know the phone number call

3618
02:51:21,099 --> 02:51:20,689
in right now what then I'll send you a

3619
02:51:22,870 --> 02:51:21,109
DVD

3620
02:51:26,139 --> 02:51:22,880
you can't break the rules everybody else

3621
02:51:28,420 --> 02:51:26,149
called in yeah you know you can't break

3622
02:51:30,639 --> 02:51:28,430
the rules so there you go three to three

3623
02:51:33,519 --> 02:51:30,649
eighty five fifty forty-five Brad Kelly

3624
02:51:36,279 --> 02:51:33,529
you want a DVD you got to call and say I

3625
02:51:38,889 --> 02:51:36,289
want a DVD and then we will certainly

3626
02:51:41,620 --> 02:51:38,899
put one in the mail to you but man is

3627
02:51:45,700 --> 02:51:41,630
TweetDeck I don't have to click I don't

3628
02:51:47,889 --> 02:51:45,710
have to do anything it just Scrolls you

3629
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:47,899
can add columns I'm only using two by

3630
02:51:52,910 --> 02:51:48,810
the way everybody

3631
02:51:56,330 --> 02:51:52,920
the hashtag FTB is not up there I'm only

3632
02:51:58,670 --> 02:51:56,340
using DM radio net and then my normal

3633
02:52:00,830 --> 02:51:58,680
notifications for a a church radio on

3634
02:52:02,660 --> 02:52:00,840
the other side but being able to do that

3635
02:52:04,160 --> 02:52:02,670
and have it scroll in real-time I don't

3636
02:52:08,450 --> 02:52:04,170
have to click I don't have to do

3637
02:52:10,370 --> 02:52:08,460
anything absolutely phenomenal so I'm

3638
02:52:13,340 --> 02:52:10,380
gonna pull down here and let's see what

3639
02:52:17,960 --> 02:52:13,350
else I needed to cover tonight I had a

3640
02:52:19,519 --> 02:52:17,970
oh man what was it I had a couple of

3641
02:52:23,389 --> 02:52:19,529
other things that I wanted to touch upon

3642
02:52:28,849 --> 02:52:23,399
Oh check this out I I got the feeling

3643
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:28,859
you know what I got this I got this

3644
02:52:36,679 --> 02:52:33,770
email about a month ago and I wanted to

3645
02:52:40,219 --> 02:52:36,689
read this out to everybody and it was it

3646
02:52:43,580 --> 02:52:40,229
was kind of trippy but this is this is

3647
02:52:46,550 --> 02:52:43,590
what it read and you guys tell me if you

3648
02:52:49,609 --> 02:52:46,560
know what this is and I will watch

3649
02:52:51,530 --> 02:52:49,619
Twitter as I read this Oh somebody's

3650
02:52:53,809 --> 02:52:51,540
calling in okay here we go

3651
02:52:55,490 --> 02:52:53,819
let's see who it is alright last call of

3652
02:53:05,769 --> 02:52:55,500
the night you're calling in live who is

3653
02:53:08,359 --> 02:53:05,779
it which one do you want man you got

3654
02:53:10,219 --> 02:53:08,369
alright well

3655
02:53:12,679 --> 02:53:10,229
let's say well I've got I've got one

3656
02:53:15,620 --> 02:53:12,689
each of everything left you know we can

3657
02:53:16,790 --> 02:53:15,630
do well it's up to you Michael Cremo Don

3658
02:53:20,660 --> 02:53:16,800
Schmitt Don Ecker

3659
02:53:22,700 --> 02:53:20,670
Paul stone him you want a cream oh yeah

3660
02:53:25,099 --> 02:53:22,710
me a cream oh okay hold on let me write

3661
02:53:28,670 --> 02:53:25,109
that down so I don't forget did you hear

3662
02:53:30,530 --> 02:53:28,680
that everybody in the other room Brad

3663
02:53:33,519 --> 02:53:30,540
Kelly hey Brad where are you calling in

3664
02:53:38,990 --> 02:53:33,529
from I'm called in from Atlanta Georgia

3665
02:53:39,969 --> 02:53:39,000
Atlanta so what did you think about you

3666
02:53:42,319 --> 02:53:39,979
know I already know your answer

3667
02:53:44,569 --> 02:53:42,329
basically but for everybody out there

3668
02:53:46,790 --> 02:53:44,579
that what hasn't been following you on

3669
02:53:49,880 --> 02:53:46,800
Twitter all evening what do you think

3670
02:53:52,580 --> 02:53:49,890
about the exposure going into mainstream

3671
02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:52,590
media on this whole thing with with

3672
02:54:00,530 --> 02:53:56,010
Malibu right path wrong path just let it

3673
02:54:02,809 --> 02:54:00,540
go I mean it's going down a path that's

3674
02:54:05,030 --> 02:54:02,819
the main thing yeah you know you're

3675
02:54:08,689 --> 02:54:05,040
right about that okay so you want cream

3676
02:54:13,010 --> 02:54:08,699
oh you know you can't control I just got

3677
02:54:17,090 --> 02:54:13,020
an email earlier about ten minutes ago

3678
02:54:18,979 --> 02:54:17,100
saying that they were monitoring what's

3679
02:54:22,399 --> 02:54:18,989
going out on the web with this story and

3680
02:54:24,530 --> 02:54:22,409
it's already been picked up by countless

3681
02:54:27,620 --> 02:54:24,540
websites also a little bit of plagiarism

3682
02:54:30,649 --> 02:54:27,630
to cut and paste jobs and and stuff like

3683
02:54:33,439 --> 02:54:30,659
that but it has relaunched onto the web

3684
02:54:35,269 --> 02:54:33,449
and I'm going to get numbers on it in

3685
02:54:38,780 --> 02:54:35,279
the morning but what's funny is you

3686
02:54:42,859 --> 02:54:38,790
can't control it I talked to an attorney

3687
02:54:45,109 --> 02:54:42,869
a couple of weeks ago about this and and

3688
02:54:47,149 --> 02:54:45,119
my publicist and we were talking about

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this together and they said you know

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what just let it go you know if

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somebody's gonna you can't you can't

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control it so the best thing to do is

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just to appreciate the fact that it's

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recognized and and just let the story go

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just let it let it take a life of its

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own and and and and let it run and where

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it stops is where it stops I thought

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that was kind of weird advice but you

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can't really control the internet you

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know you control the news can't control

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the internet like or government

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it's caught up in that kind of stuff

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sometimes just like that Belgium thing

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up takes jubail yeah yeah yeah right

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right right that's exactly right that's

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exactly right

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oh one more call you know what I don't

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know who's calling in but I got to wrap

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the show so there you go hey Brad

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thanks a lot man and tomorrow night's

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Craig Kapil ba so we'll be in and it's

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gonna be a really good show tomorrow

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night so looking forward to to seeing

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02:55:57,081 --> 02:55:52,980
you tweet and and possibly call in

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02:55:58,011 --> 02:55:57,091
tomorrow thanks Brad hey hey send Rita

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your address

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will do Jimmy thank you got her email

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all right

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it that wraps another show here on the

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dark matter radio network let's go ahead

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and roll that music all right coming up

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next it is Night Watch with Todd sheets

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followed by spooky south coast with Tim

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02:56:35,900 --> 02:56:31,141
Weisberg and is very famous I might add

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02:56:38,690 --> 02:56:35,910
an iron shirt and one day just keep

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02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:38,700
listening roll in and then send Tim an

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02:56:44,631 --> 02:56:41,610
email about that shirt and tell him I

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02:56:47,871 --> 02:56:44,641
sent you all right special thanks to

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02:56:52,041 --> 02:56:47,881
Keith Roland in our bail paid to Black's

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02:56:54,770 --> 02:56:52,051
executive producer is Rita Kumari on the

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show is produced by Hilton Jay Paul and

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02:57:01,820 --> 02:56:58,230
Mark D Cove our announcers are Steve

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02:57:03,530 --> 02:57:01,830
harder and mark de Kolb our music is

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02:57:05,461 --> 02:57:03,540
this guy

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[Music]

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02:57:10,890 --> 02:57:09,261
that's doug aldrich show intro you heard

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02:57:14,801 --> 02:57:10,900
from him tonight

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02:57:17,970 --> 02:57:14,811
spaceboy fade to black is produced by

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I'm Jimmy Church I'll see you guys

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tomorrow night behave everybody see you